Airport security hasn't increased. Only the inconvenience has increased. The airport "security" that's been implemented is all eye-candy.

"Of course this is all theory and bravado talking as none of us knows what we will and can do until it happens."

Bounty,

Smartest thing said in this thread so far <img src="/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

Flip

Wildcard163:

It is not a fight as far as I am concerned, it is a different way of seeing things for those of us on the forum that disagree.

"They" are not picking on me, it is just that "they" constitute a majority of people who are willing to disagree with me on this forum.

I am a card carrying "LIFE MEMBER OF THE NRA" and appreciate the 2nd amendment deeply, but I disagree with Norad45 that the 2nd amendment is the most important one. I believe it is the first amendment because if you can not state your case, no other act or amendment can exist. Unfortunately the first amendment has been basterdized by rich controlling interests, and political parties set up "free speech" zones away from their meeting places so that those who rally against them can be punished with convenient laws.

I know I am off the wall on some of my beliefs, but I also know many disagree with me because they do not want to believe there are the kinds of elements within our Govenment (Not everyone in a government has to know or agree with what a cell within the government is doing.) that are willing to remove anyone of any nationality (Even their own.) if it means more money or more power for them.

I want to be able to carry a knife where I used to carry a knife before 9-11 because there is no practical reason to deny me or other law abiding citizens of the United States of America. As far as convicted criminals go, if the crime they committed did not involve a knife or gun, they shouldn't lose the right to carry a knife, or have a firearm either.

Bountyhunter <img src="/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" />

“...if you can not state your case, no other act or amendment can exist.”

I respectfully disagree. If you cannot DEFEND free speech--or any basic human right--then none of them matter. They are merely words on paper. The entire 20th Century stands as a monument to the fact that you simply cannot defend words with words. Eventually someone from the far left or the far right will try to silence you. If they have weapons and you do not then they WILL succeed. The reason that hasn’t happened in America is because of the armed citizenry.

Bounty, you know that I disagree with you profoundly in regards to the forces at work in our society. You are convinced that there are conspiratorial forces at work behind the scenes which are pulling the strings while I believe that what appears to be conspiratorial forces is in fact just bureaucratic inertia at work. (If I have misstated your stance I apologize; please feel free to clarify your position.) What is important is that we are both free to try--however futile it may be--to convince each other of the rightness of our position. I have heard that the First Amendment is under attack by the Patriot Act. If that’s the case how is it that we sit here and debate so freely?

I promise you that if I see the First Amendment being eroded, I will be right there defending it with you.

As a side note, the ban on Self-Loading weapons is about to expire. I urge everyone to run out right now and buy a Homeland Defense Rifle. Go wage war on the empty beer cans and paper plates that infest our wide open spaces. Pick up after yourself, or others. Most of all have fun!

Regards, Vince

"The airport 'security' that's been implemented is all eye-candy."

I agree entirely. But you have to remember that the reason for the increased visible security was to reassure a terrified public that air travel was safe. In the wake of 9-11-2001 nobody was flying. The American economy simply could not withstand that kind of fear of flying. Not only the airlines would suffer, but every sector of an already depressed economy would hemmorage money.

Like it or not, it worked. People got back on the planes. In droves.

I personally would be more confident if I had my handgun, or at least a knife, on board. But you can't please everybody.

Regards, Vince

You have to be able to call people to arms for an armed fight and you can not do that if the manner in which you may call them to arms is not available to you.

We can continue to speak on this forum because we are not significant enough in the class hierarchy to matter to those in power.

The late President John F. Kennedy was killed because he was going to pull us out of Vietnam, Martin Luther King was killed because he was able to influence significant masses that threatened the economy ot those in power, and Bobby Kennedy was killed because he would have pursued those who killed his brother with all the power of the Presidency. All were killed by moneyed interests despite their high positions and visability.

Norad45, you and I are nothing to people who kill Presidents and so we are allowed to talk.

Bountyhunter <img src="/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" />

Bounty, Norad... I could listen (read) you two all night long. You're both so close yet so far apart... it's kind of like the thought patterns in my own head when I haven't made up my mind where I stand on a subject. Suffice it to say both the first AND second ammendments are worth fighting for.

Troy

P.S. I thought the Kennedys were capped for crossing the mob over the Chicago vote fix (vote early, vote often) <img src="/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />.

Wildcard163:

The mob is not that stupid. They would have had their own mothers turning them in if they had hit JFK. He was THE populist president of my era and Catholic to boot! No, the mob is not that stupid.

Bountyhunter

This is sounding more and more like a survivalist forum.

Bounty, you disappoint me. Everybody in the world knows that Jack, Bobby, and MLK were first cloned and then spirited away to Area 51 by black helicopters. The clones were then assassinated by the CIA, Fidel Castro, and Sam Giancanna, respectively. They were then bred to the McGuire sisters (cryogenically frozen at a party hosted by Andy Warhol at the supersecret government installation known as CBGB’s in NYC in the late 1970’s.) This super race of the PHRASECENSOREDPOSTERSHOULDKNOWBETTER.-hating superleft are even now being groomed for the ultimate takeover of power by the Trilateral Commission-and everybody knows that the Trilateral Commission is led by none other than George Will and the late Ann Landers.

Kinda makes ya think, don’t it?

Regards, Vince