Hey folks. I think my post above was particularly grumpy and angry -- I should have been more diplomatic in my language. The ideas were right, but the tone was not as respectful as I would like. Mea culpa.

Beautiful old past
Glad this forum still exists

I have seen this talk on several local forums that diminished and disappeared, leaving behind sighs of sorrow.

What brought me here today is a bit funny

There is a water leak in our house. Fixed it a few months ago but it is leaking again. It leaks from my (married) son apartment's kitchen in the upper floor into my daughter's room in the ground floor.

This time it is more complicated. Last time the plumber broke the wall of the empty kitchen and fixed it. Now, kitchen is not empty and the son's wife will not like seeing her new kitchen torn apart. Not to mention my daughter upset because of her room messed up for the second time. Plumber is also embarrassed of unsatisfactory job and reluctance of the newer more difficult job. To top it all, my wife's grumpy comments and continuous asking (what are you doing about it ??).

I decided to have a break: visit a SURVIVAL forum called ETS.
LOL