#300355 - 11/14/21 11:46 PM
Re: Strained SAR, bogus calls, and charging for SAR
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Carpal Tunnel
Registered: 04/28/10
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Loc: Big Sky Country
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In a couple of those cases a fine or a fee for rescue is appropriate. The guy that falsely claimed a medical emergency should be prosecuted IMO. SAR didn't want to sent a chopper for safety reasons, so sending 'em out when it's not safe risks lives for no reason.
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#300357 - 11/15/21 07:34 PM
Re: Strained SAR, bogus calls, and charging for SAR
[Re: AKSAR]
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Veteran
Registered: 12/14/09
Posts: 1419
Loc: Nothern Ontario
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Close to where I used to live, North Shore Rescue (busiest SAR in North America) have had a longstanding policy on why SAR does not charge for rescue. https://www.northshorerescue.com/about-us/not-charging-rescues/
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#300358 - 11/15/21 08:36 PM
Re: Strained SAR, bogus calls, and charging for SAR
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Geezer in Chief
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Registered: 08/26/06
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Thanks for a well reasoned, cogently statement on this position. Their position is absolutely correct.
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#300359 - 11/15/21 09:27 PM
Re: Strained SAR, bogus calls, and charging for SAR
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Journeyman
Registered: 10/03/18
Posts: 90
Loc: Colorado Springs,CO
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As a former SAR member in Colorado her a small fee is levied on hunting and fishing license for SAR , Hikers etc can purchase rescue coverage also
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#300360 - 11/15/21 10:59 PM
Re: Strained SAR, bogus calls, and charging for SAR
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Geezer in Chief
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Loc: southern Cal
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Aksar mentioned criminal activity. On at least two occasions, we were involved in rescuing victims involved in criminal activity, in one case at significant risk to all involved. Rescue first and ask questions later.....
Not all victims are blameless little darlings.
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#300361 - 11/16/21 12:58 AM
Re: Strained SAR, bogus calls, and charging for SAR
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Registered: 08/31/11
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Loc: Alaska
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Aksar mentioned criminal activity. I don’t recall mentioning “criminal activity”. Please don’t credit me with statements I didn’t make. One of the linked articles did notethat NPS is pressing charges against the MD for making false statements and trying to delete text messages associated with those statements.
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#300363 - 11/16/21 04:21 PM
Re: Strained SAR, bogus calls, and charging for SAR
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Carpal Tunnel
Registered: 12/26/02
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Unless the bogus calls are excessive, the SAR group could write the bogus call off as training. I think just certain areas where popularity leads to increased amount of visitors and some of those visitors, due to "normalcy bias" do go out unprepared and cause an excessive amount of calls.
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#300364 - 11/16/21 04:35 PM
Re: Strained SAR, bogus calls, and charging for SAR
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Geezer in Chief
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Registered: 08/26/06
Posts: 7705
Loc: southern Cal
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What I r3callfrom my SAR exprieence is the unpredictability of the evnt at the outset. Routine calls become major events and what seem like big deals become trivial. All provide valuable experience (= training).
We endured a spate of bogus ca.lls at one time. Turned out that the perps were some of our own trainees, a little too eager for action. A generous donation of gear halted further action by thee sheriff.....
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#300365 - 11/16/21 04:36 PM
Re: Strained SAR, bogus calls, and charging for SAR
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Geezer in Chief
Geezer
Registered: 08/26/06
Posts: 7705
Loc: southern Cal
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Apologies...poor phrasing on my part...
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