I believe that was me that said my BOB was under 10# ***without water*** and for the record its about the same when I camp although I sometimes get up to 15# if I'm carrying several luxury items. Granted when I camp/hike I carry very little water because I am careful to plan routes where natural water sources are available. I will happily provide the contents of my BOB once I get around to inventorying all of it. Just give me a couple days and I'll post a list. I have been meaning to do so for a while anyway so I could get suggestions from you guys on stuff I could/should add or leave behind. If anyone is looking for tips on getting the weight down http://www.backpackinglight.com/ has some good recomendations.