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#298970 - 05/16/21 01:52 AM EMP
Famdoc Offline
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Informative article, more on the problem than solutions:

https://www.nextgov.com/ideas/2021/05/racing-sun-protect-america/174029/

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#298984 - 05/19/21 03:15 PM Re: EMP [Re: Famdoc]
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A modern day Carrington event scares the heck out of me. Enough so that I have a metal trashcan Faraday cage filled with assorted radios, old computers, etc as backup in case it happens.
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#298986 - 05/21/21 08:12 AM Re: EMP [Re: Famdoc]
adam2 Offline
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A modern day Carrington event is indeed a cause for considerable concern.
It seems unlikely to have any effect on portable electronics though. A solar storm induces damaging electric currents in LONG electrical conductors such as power transmission lines, telephone lines, pipelines, railroad tracks, and even long wire fences.

LONG metal conductors can be damaged as can articles connected thereto.
A railroad track should survive, but signals, and switch motors attached thereto might be destroyed.
A LONG metallic pipeline should survive, but fires may be started and controls and instruments destroyed.

Note that only LONG conductors are affected, miles long at least. Conductors inches long inside anything portable should be unaffected.

The consequences can be reduced by insulating inserts or joins in pipelines and railroad tracks.
When erecting a long wire fence, use the wire in the lengths in which it is supplied WITHOUT JOINTS. At the end of a roll of wire, fix it to the post, and fix the start of the new roll to the post some inches away. DO NOT twist or crimp the two together.

Storing portable electronics in a faraday cage is prudent in case of an EMP which a different phenomena.
An EMP is a result of a high altitude nuclear explosion, and induces damaging currents even in very short conductors, such as those within portable electronics.
A metal trash can gives SOME protection but only partial protection due to the loose fitting lid. I would prefer two layers of protection, for example placing items in a metal tin, and then placing this tin in a metal trash can or a metal cupboard.

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#298987 - 05/21/21 06:35 PM Re: EMP [Re: Blast]
haertig Offline
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Registered: 03/13/05
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Originally Posted By: Blast
...I have a metal trashcan Faraday cage filled with assorted radios, old computers, etc...

The last time I tried that, my wife hauled it off to the recycling place.

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#298994 - 05/22/21 03:34 PM Re: EMP [Re: adam2]
Blast Offline
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Originally Posted By: adam2

A metal trash can gives SOME protection but only partial protection due to the loose fitting lid. I would prefer two layers of protection, for example placing items in a metal tin, and then placing this tin in a metal trash can or a metal cupboard.


I have a role of aluminized tape to seal the lid to the can if things look hot between nuclear nations...but getting it wrapped in time will take some luck. frown
-Blast
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#298995 - 05/22/21 04:31 PM Re: EMP [Re: Famdoc]
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Should the trash can Faraday cage be grounded? Or not? Thoughts?

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#298996 - 05/22/21 04:41 PM Re: EMP [Re: dougwalkabout]
M_a_x Offline
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Grounding would not be required. I would make sure that lid and can are connected e. g. with a copper band like cars use for connecting ground for the battery.
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#298997 - 05/22/21 04:45 PM Re: EMP [Re: dougwalkabout]
adam2 Offline
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Originally Posted By: dougwalkabout
Should the trash can Faraday cage be grounded? Or not? Thoughts?


I dont believe that it matters if a Faraday cage is grounded or not. The basic principle is that within a Faraday cage, there can be voltage difference between any part and any other part, and therefore no electrical damage can result.
The contents do not "know" what if any voltage exists between the cage and the ground.

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#299000 - 05/22/21 09:29 PM Re: EMP [Re: Blast]
unimogbert Offline
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Registered: 08/10/06
Posts: 882
Loc: Colorado
Originally Posted By: Blast
Originally Posted By: adam2

A metal trash can gives SOME protection but only partial protection due to the loose fitting lid. I would prefer two layers of protection, for example placing items in a metal tin, and then placing this tin in a metal trash can or a metal cupboard.


I have a role of aluminized tape to seal the lid to the can if things look hot between nuclear nations...but getting it wrapped in time will take some luck. frown
-Blast


I suggest copper tape with conductive adhesive like I used to shield my cheap electric guitar from internal hum.

Conductive adhesive has to be checked for as that's not necessarily what's on ducting tape.

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#299013 - 05/25/21 01:03 PM Re: EMP [Re: Famdoc]
brandtb Offline
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Would an old microwave oven serve as a Faraday cage?
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