#296904 - 09/03/20 03:40 AM
What commercial kits don't include...
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Carpal Tunnel
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Buying a pre-made kit is great, but its good to understand their limitations. What does a pre-made first aid, go bag(72 hour) or survival kit lack?
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#296908 - 09/03/20 12:02 PM
Re: What commercial kits don't include...
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Carpal Tunnel
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What does a pre-made first aid, go bag(72 hour) or survival kit lack? That depends on the first aid or survival kit. Jeanette Isabelle
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#296910 - 09/03/20 02:28 PM
Re: What commercial kits don't include...
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depending upon your hobbies: an "oh crap" in mine can be serious
CAT tourniquet
Israeli or Olaes bandage (Olaes has the occlusive film to cover a punctured thorax)... minimum of two for a through and through
petroleum gauze to cover a punctured thorax
Kerlix gauze and roll bandage
hemostatic gauze
nasal pharyngeal airway
good cling tape
good EMT shears
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#296913 - 09/03/20 08:18 PM
Re: What commercial kits don't include...
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Each of us is trained to different, varying levels of capability and for that matter, each of us has favorite tools and procedures. Our kits should be fine tuned to meet our needs.
Too many kits include lots of band aids and similar boo boo items and leave out critical (often expensive) items that are really useful for serious injuries (big dressings and elastic wraps,for instance.
You often want to specialize your kit for different activities - a kit for an alpine climber will be different from that of a deer hunter.
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#297429 - 11/03/20 07:47 PM
Re: What commercial kits don't include...
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Carpal Tunnel
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Just bought new AMK kits; they have nice flower opening; the pouches flip out and are labeled...something I recommend. Adding: More otc meds, small flashlight additional exam gloves more masks
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#297876 - 12/28/20 08:29 PM
Re: What commercial kits don't include...
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#298043 - 01/12/21 12:22 AM
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Carpal Tunnel
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Most 'survival' kits lack both matches and a lighter.
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#298300 - 02/10/21 09:08 PM
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Carpal Tunnel
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I add 2x2 and 4x4 bandages or pads to most of my kits..
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#298316 - 02/14/21 01:24 PM
Re: What commercial kits don't include...
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Carpal Tunnel
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depending upon your hobbies: an "oh crap" in mine can be serious
CAT tourniquet
Israeli or Olaes bandage (Olaes has the occlusive film to cover a punctured thorax)... minimum of two for a through and through
petroleum gauze to cover a punctured thorax
Kerlix gauze and roll bandage
hemostatic gauze
nasal pharyngeal airway
good cling tape
good EMT shears I've seen off-the-shelf trauma kits that come close. Those have a chest seal instead of petroleum gauze. Jeanette Isabelle
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#298317 - 02/14/21 01:33 PM
Re: What commercial kits don't include...
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Carpal Tunnel
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If you're trained on them, a 14ga decompression needle is also recommended. If he was trained to use one, wouldn't he already include it? Jeanette Isabelle
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#298318 - 02/14/21 01:41 PM
Re: What commercial kits don't include...
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Carpal Tunnel
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Most 'survival' kits lack both matches and a lighter. I was talking to a representative of a survival kit company. The reason his company does not include a lighter is due to the cost of shipping and shipping restrictions. Jeanette Isabelle
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#298325 - 02/14/21 08:56 PM
Re: What commercial kits don't include...
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Geezer in Chief
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I just checked th fire lighting materials section of REI and i am in the process of ordering item lbeled "shipping restrictions apply". Those restrictions must be rather trivial because my order is going through at the usual rate with standard delivery. It is an interesting gadget which ai will report on when it arrives....(and I get my second covid shot).
Interesting that these survival gurus cannot manage to provide a very important, if not the most, fundamental capability in the survival process. Fire starting is the one area where I favor redundancy - I pack matches in a waterproof case, a lighter (also waterproofed) and a ferro rod and striker. A couple of times I have been very glad I did.
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#298328 - 02/14/21 10:57 PM
Re: What commercial kits don't include...
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Does seem odd.
Can order a tin of Zippo lighter fluid directly (not a third party) from Amazon UK. But not BIC lighters.
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#298330 - 02/15/21 01:51 AM
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Carpal Tunnel
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The laws don't necessarily always make sense! But you do what you must regardless.
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#298340 - 02/15/21 02:00 PM
Re: What commercial kits don't include...
[Re: Ren]
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In Germany vendors at Amazon send BIC lighters. They even send to DHL package stations. I got these when the lighters where almost impossible to get in offline shops: https://www.amazon.de/BIC-Feuerzeug-Reib...C176&sr=8-5 No affiliation, just a happy customer.
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#298878 - 04/22/21 01:27 AM
Re: What commercial kits don't include...
[Re: TeacherRO]
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Carpal Tunnel
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note: I use a rubberband under the tab to keep my bic in the off position.
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