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#294820 - 02/12/20 01:01 AM Heat Rescue Disaster Recovery
Jeanette_Isabelle Offline
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As stated before, I believe in a combination of gear and skills. Given that, I search through a lot of junk on the Internet to find the right equipment. Today I found what appears to be a well-thought-out kit introduced in 2011.

https://www.hikaruimamura.com/HEAT-RESCUE-DISASTER-RECOVERY

I'm searching for details; it would seem this kit is not available, at least not here in the U.S.

Jeanette Isabelle
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#294821 - 02/12/20 03:49 AM Re: Heat Rescue Disaster Recovery [Re: Jeanette_Isabelle]
hikermor Offline
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Probably not available in the U.S. because there are numerous more practical and convenient choices. I am surprised to learn that a 55 gal drum is"easy to carry."
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#294822 - 02/12/20 04:04 AM Re: Heat Rescue Disaster Recovery [Re: Jeanette_Isabelle]
EMPnotImplyNuclear Offline
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Originally Posted By: Jeanette_Isabelle
As stated before, I believe in a combination of gear and skills. Given that, I search through a lot of junk on the Internet to find the right equipment. Today I found what appears to be a well-thought-out kit introduced in 2011.

https://www.hikaruimamura.com/HEAT-RESCUE-DISASTER-RECOVERY

I'm searching for details; it would seem this kit is not available, at least not here in the U.S.

Jeanette Isabelle

Hi,
its an idea, a prototype, a student design contest entry, not a product for sale anywhere
...
its well thought out?

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#294823 - 02/12/20 10:51 AM Re: Heat Rescue Disaster Recovery [Re: Jeanette_Isabelle]
Herman30 Offline
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Not a bad product to have for a longer period of not having electric power if living in a house. Just roll it outside when using.
Not very difficult to make your own out of a barrel. Just need to find a big cooking pot.


Edited by Herman30 (02/12/20 10:52 AM)

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#294825 - 02/12/20 12:52 PM Re: Heat Rescue Disaster Recovery [Re: hikermor]
Jeanette_Isabelle Offline
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Originally Posted By: hikermor
Probably not available in the U.S. because there are numerous more practical and convenient choices.

I use a variety of methods and search parameters to find better pre-made kits. Even kits that include real food (freeze-dried or MRE) are lacking in the quality department.

If you know of a more practical kit, send me a link.

Jeanette Isabelle
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#294826 - 02/12/20 01:01 PM Re: Heat Rescue Disaster Recovery [Re: EMPnotImplyNuclear]
Jeanette_Isabelle Offline
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Originally Posted By: EMPnotImplyNuclear
its well thought out?

Without knowing the specs, it looks to be. The pot fits perfectly in the container/stove. The rest of the space is for tubs, stove parts, towels, bottles of water, and rice.

Jeanette Isabelle
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#294827 - 02/12/20 02:48 PM Re: Heat Rescue Disaster Recovery [Re: Jeanette_Isabelle]
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watching the video, it seems that the fire chamber is restricted, without adequate air flow, which is something necessary for good, hot combustion and subsequent heating.

It's efficient packaging and storage, all right, but I fear it will do poorly in actual use.

Interestingly enough, our hot water heater is on the blink and service is likely about twenty-four hours away. Oh dear, what shall we do?!! We can still use the microwave, but beyond that, I would crank up the camping and outdoor gear - the two burner camp stove or various canister rigs. For showers, I would go for solar shower bags, which I have used extensively and satisfactorily in the past.

These would be my preference before resorting to heating water over wood fire = it will get the job done, eventually,
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#294828 - 02/12/20 03:02 PM Re: Heat Rescue Disaster Recovery [Re: Jeanette_Isabelle]
Ren Offline
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See it's dated December 2011.

March 2011 is when Japan had it's largest earthquake, a 9.1.

The Japanese seem to take disasters more seriously since then. Wasn't there a link on here to the kit breakdown every household is expected to have. Which included things like safety helmets etc.

And they have a facility to train people on what to do in a quake/typhoon/fire.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3ASXCKN1ow

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#294829 - 02/12/20 05:51 PM Re: Heat Rescue Disaster Recovery [Re: Ren]
Jeanette_Isabelle Offline
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Originally Posted By: Ren
Wasn't there a link on here to the kit breakdown every household is expected to have. Which included things like safety helmets etc.

I do recall a thread of that nature. I don't know where it is or its title.

Originally Posted By: Ren
And they have a facility to train people on what to do in a quake/typhoon/fire.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3ASXCKN1ow

This is an interesting video. Thanks.

Jeanette Isabelle
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#294861 - 02/19/20 03:32 AM Re: Heat Rescue Disaster Recovery [Re: Jeanette_Isabelle]
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#294867 - 02/20/20 02:00 AM Re: Heat Rescue Disaster Recovery [Re: Jeanette_Isabelle]
LesSnyder Offline
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US GI M67 gasoline drip immersion heaters worked pretty well 50years ago for a lot of hot water

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#294868 - 02/20/20 03:50 AM Re: Heat Rescue Disaster Recovery [Re: LesSnyder]
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Due to the sudden and unanticipated failure of our hot water heater, for the last three days I have been heating water for dish washing and showers. I have learned a thing or two.

For showers. I have used my solar shower; unfortunately solar heating is not very effective in February. I have been heating water on our stove and I learned one thing for sure. You don't want to deal with a large container of hot water; smaller is better(and safer!) There are all kinds of camping stoves,using liquid, gas, or solid fuels that can quickly heat reasonable quantities of water (one gallon or less). For that matter, a solar shower works very well when the sun is out long enough. I have used one quite satisfactorily for days at a time during the summer and fall.

This episode with the hot water heater has been instructive to me - how to use camping gear when the utilities go on the fritz, as they would do in most disasters.

Dealing with failed or absent utilities is a tricky business and everyone's situation and environment will vary, as will the best solutions.
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#294870 - 02/20/20 05:32 AM Re: Heat Rescue Disaster Recovery [Re: Jeanette_Isabelle]
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I hope you get the hot water situation squared away, hikermor! It's no fun doing it 'the old fashioned way.' wink
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#294872 - 02/20/20 01:58 PM Re: Heat Rescue Disaster Recovery [Re: Phaedrus]
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I'll be in hot water soon!! The new unit is to be installed today. But it was certainly an educational episode..
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#294875 - 02/20/20 05:53 PM Re: Heat Rescue Disaster Recovery [Re: Jeanette_Isabelle]
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just a comment from hurricane lessons learned... a dedicated (no pesticides) pump up garden sprayer painted black provides pressure for a quick rinse shower.... some videos availaable on those equipped with a smaller hand shower head....

a 75' length of 3/4" hose will hold about 2 1/2 gallons of water, and in bright Florida July sun reached 165F in one hour... as hikermore commented small amounts to handle safely

a 2mil contractor bag filled with 2 1/2gal of water, laid flat in a sunny surface with air removed from bag so that the bag touched the top surface of the water... open end held up by a 2x4 and second placed on top to seal from wind will also near the 165F number in one hour... this is very dangerous to handle... be prepared to dip out the water with a sauce pan

I have multiple propane camping stoves, but the one I really like for quick heat is a Gas One asian style flat single burner that can use butane cylinders or has an adapter hose for 1# propane (that I use)

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#294876 - 02/20/20 08:15 PM Re: Heat Rescue Disaster Recovery [Re: Jeanette_Isabelle]
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different places, different experiences.

Current 6 degrees Fahrenheit in Nebraska, pretty sure my shower would freeze...

I could heat a gallon or two to use in a garden sprayer--I keep one or two around... If it comes down to it, I would be more worried about heating my KIDS than my water at this time of the year.

I agree with Les for Summetime....

Hmm.
I wonder if a camp shower would heat up from inside of my windows?

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#294878 - 02/20/20 08:59 PM Re: Heat Rescue Disaster Recovery [Re: LCranston]
Jeanette_Isabelle Offline
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Originally Posted By: LCranston
Current 6 degrees Fahrenheit in Nebraska,

I wish you could send some of that to Florida. We're sweating down here.

Jeanette Isabelle
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#294880 - 02/21/20 01:46 PM Re: Heat Rescue Disaster Recovery [Re: Jeanette_Isabelle]
Jeanette_Isabelle Offline
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Loc: Nacogdoches, Texas
Originally Posted By: Jeanette_Isabelle
Originally Posted By: LCranston
Current 6 degrees Fahrenheit in Nebraska,

I wish you could send some of that to Florida. We're sweating down here.

Thank you for the cold weather you sent. We did need it.

Jeanette Isabelle
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