#282940 - 12/08/16 04:43 PM
What's your EVC and why?
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Geezer in Chief
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Registered: 08/26/06
Posts: 7705
Loc: southern Cal
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The thread about the poor starving Canadian truckers prompts this inquiry about Everyday Vehicular Carry. Compared to pockets and backpacks, one has many more options and weight is relatively insignificant. So, what is always present in your vehicle?
In SoCal, I try to be relatively prepared for earthquakes. My vehicle is parked in the open and therefore also functions as a safe stash for supplies that might be useful in that event. Hence canteens of water, alcohol stoves and fuel, food (especially coffee and tea!), sleeping bag, jumpsuit, spare parka, small flashlight/headlamp,expensive first aid supplies, and day pack with additional water and food. Also a pry bar so I can gain entry into the homestead.
For the vehicle - jumper cables, shovel, saw, hatchet, small wrench set, quart of oil. Not much for spare parts because it is basically computerized......
When travelling, I am usually carrying gear for backpacking, climbing, or field work, so there is additional useful gear including tent, tarps, etc. Heading for snow country, i would include a tow rope
Interestingly enough, my wife has roughly the same gear, arriving at her choices independently. The threat in SoCal isn't weather, so much as it is the dreaded sig alert and jammed, impassable freeways,leading to many happy hours spent in the car....
So, what's in your car?
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#282943 - 12/08/16 05:21 PM
Re: What's your EVC and why?
[Re: hikermor]
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Carpal Tunnel
Registered: 05/05/07
Posts: 3601
Loc: Ontario, Canada
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Specifically for winter, I add the following to my car:
-snow tires -snow brush and scraper -bucket and grain shovel -extra hat, mitts, wool socks and sweater for everyone -complete change of clothes for the wee ones -couple of wool blankets -chemical hand warmers -flashlight and extra batteries -fire starting kit -couple of SS water bottles -instant coffee and koolaid -high fat ready to eat snacks (nuts, fruit, chocolate, etc.) -a Mountain House meal -hi-viz vest and toque -insulated mechanics gloves -extra pair of boots for me -jug of winter anti-freeze -bag of kitty litter or salt -road flares -small backpacking tent, blue tarp and some paracord -extra bic lighter -extra plastic bags
*Everyone starts bringing their winter coats and snow pants at this time of year too!
My purse also gets beefed up at this time of year:
-extra hat, mitts, socks and buff for myself and my daughter -my good winter mitts -esbit emergency stove and tabs -SS water bottle -couple of clif bars -couple packs of instant oatmeal -instant coffee and koolaid -chemical hand warmers -extra heat sheet or SOL emergency bivvy -extra BIC lighter -extra plastic bags -fire starting kit -a couple of tea lights
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#282944 - 12/08/16 06:05 PM
Re: What's your EVC and why?
[Re: hikermor]
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Carpal Tunnel
Registered: 03/11/05
Posts: 2574
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I'd add a +20 degree bag (though that should now be 2x) flashlight, spare cell phone and charger (just for calling 911) spare winter jacket, mitts ( choppers) high calorie, shelf stable foods, tiny snow shovel.
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#282946 - 12/08/16 06:16 PM
Re: What's your EVC and why?
[Re: hikermor]
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Geezer
Registered: 06/02/06
Posts: 5359
Loc: SOCAL
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As previously discussed, my truck kit is comprised of a 96 hour kit (72 hour kit + more food & water) and my backpack based GHB. The truck kit has a largish FAK, sleeping bag, blankets, extra clothing, both D-cell and AA LED lights, spare batteries, an MSR MicroRocket stove plus fuel canister (in the GHB) and an MSR WhisperLite International stove in a larger container. I can easily hang with the truck for quite a while in an emergency. For trips outside SOCAL (especially in winter) I add a duffel bag with additional winter gear which increases the blankets & cold weather clothing available.
Much of the kit is in waterproof containers, so if I were stuck someplace I could move those containers under the truck, and use a largish nylon tarp to turn the back of the truck into a living space. No need to cook inside the truck's cab, the back is much safer.
The truck is parked in the garage at home, so unfortunately if there is a major earthquake, the first thing on my list is to open the garage door and move the truck out to the street. Then I assess damage if any and shut off the natural gas.
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#282947 - 12/08/16 08:22 PM
Re: What's your EVC and why?
[Re: hikermor]
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Pooh-Bah
Registered: 04/08/02
Posts: 1821
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My setup doesn't really change in the winter, except for snowtires, snow scrapper and brushes and when i'm going abroad snowchains (snowchains are illegal to use in my country).
From memory; so i probably forgetting things:
For road side issues: - Trifold shovel - Traxion plates (very effective and less messy then gritt) - Towstrap - Jumpercables - LED flares 4x - Flashlights - gloves - multitool - Hi-viz vests 5x - Warning triangle 2x
Spare parts: - Fuses - Light bulbs - Plugs and tools - valve cores and tool - wire - Zipties - Spare batteries (AA and AAA) (also spare tire, jack, tire iron)
Little survival kit: - Trangia mess kit as container/cooking vessel - Esbit stove - Emergency blanket - Whistle - Mirror - Waterbag - purification tablets - Lighter and matches - Manual chain saw - Small knife - candles - 72 hours lifeboard ration (not in the mess kit, but stored in the same bag)
Randomly put: - Blanket - Pillow - Waterbottles - Hand sanitizer - toilet paper
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#282949 - 12/09/16 01:18 AM
Re: What's your EVC and why?
[Re: hikermor]
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Sheriff
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Registered: 12/03/09
Posts: 3863
Loc: USA
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My main emergency kit lives in my car: - Technology / lighting / battery module
- Knife / saw / tools module
- Warmth / shelter module
- Medical module
- Admin / reference module
- Navigation module
- Comms module
- Water / Food module
- Hygiene module
- Defense module
This is in one (fairly heavy) bag that's "wife-portable" for shorter distances. In the unlikely event that a longer walk is called for, we'd need to divide the load or dump some of it. The winter module is added on to that: - Snow brush / ice scraper (heavy-duty, extendable model made of stainless steel
- Voile Telepro avalanche shovel
- entrenching tool
- extreme cold weather sleep system
- Work gloves
- Extra cold weather gloves
- Extra parka
- Dry clothes
There's a car-specific kit that has some relevant components: - Good spare tire
- Working jack and lug wrench
- Two feet of steel pipe to use as a cheater bar for lug wrench
- Tow strap
- Thick jumper cables
- Costco "jump pack" jumpstarter/compressor/area light, charged monthly
- Galvanized wire
- tire plug kit
- Alumaseal
- self-fusing silicone tape
- Assortment of auto fuses
- four hose clamps
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#282957 - 12/10/16 05:57 PM
Re: What's your EVC and why?
[Re: Russ]
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Carpal Tunnel
Registered: 03/11/05
Posts: 2574
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The truck is parked in the garage at home, so unfortunately if there is a major earthquake, the first thing on my list is to open the garage door and move the truck out to the street. Then I assess damage if any and shut off the natural gas.
Um, I'd shut off the gas first.
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#282958 - 12/10/16 06:03 PM
Re: What's your EVC and why?
[Re: TeacherRO]
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Veteran
Registered: 12/14/09
Posts: 1419
Loc: Nothern Ontario
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The truck is parked in the garage at home, so unfortunately if there is a major earthquake, the first thing on my list is to open the garage door and move the truck out to the street. Then I assess damage if any and shut off the natural gas.
Um, I'd shut off the gas first. Exactly. Shut off the gas first.
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#282962 - 12/10/16 10:49 PM
Re: What's your EVC and why?
[Re: Teslinhiker]
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Geezer in Chief
Geezer
Registered: 08/26/06
Posts: 7705
Loc: southern Cal
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http://quaketips.blogspot.com/2013/05/should-i-turn-my-gas-off-after.htmlThis and other sources suggest that turning off the gas should not be done in a knee jerk fashion. It may be a while before you can get the utility company to turn it back on. On the other hand, if you turn the gas off, it is indeed off. The decision will vary with the circumstances. I would be just as aware of downed electric wires, among the many potential haards, as leaking gas.
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#282963 - 12/10/16 11:01 PM
Re: What's your EVC and why?
[Re: hikermor]
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Veteran
Registered: 08/31/11
Posts: 1233
Loc: Alaska
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http://quaketips.blogspot.com/2013/05/should-i-turn-my-gas-off-after.htmlThis and other sources suggest that turning off the gas should not be done in a knee jerk fashion. It may be a while before you can get the utility company to turn it back on. On the other hand, if you turn the gas off, it is indeed off. The decision will vary with the circumstances. I would be just as aware of downed electric wires, among the many potential haards, as leaking gas. I agree. Whether or not to turn it off after an earthquake depends on the circumstances. I would certainly turn it off if I detected any hint of leaking gas. I would also likely turn it off if there were indications of significant structural damage to the house. On the other hand, absent any indication of leaking gas, and if there were no serious structural damage, I would probably leave it on. By the way, it is possible to turn it back on yourself, at least for the set up at my house. The gas guy showed me how to do it (though he probably wasn't supposed to). It was actually quite simple, at least for my place.
Edited by AKSAR (12/10/16 11:02 PM)
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#282964 - 12/10/16 11:12 PM
Re: What's your EVC and why?
[Re: hikermor]
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Veteran
Registered: 12/14/09
Posts: 1419
Loc: Nothern Ontario
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http://quaketips.blogspot.com/2013/05/should-i-turn-my-gas-off-after.htmlThis and other sources suggest that turning off the gas should not be done in a knee jerk fashion. It may be a while before you can get the utility company to turn it back on. On the other hand, if you turn the gas off, it is indeed off. The decision will vary with the circumstances. I would be just as aware of downed electric wires, among the many potential haards, as leaking gas. The context of the discussion was "so unfortunately if there is a major earthquake." Perhaps then not everyone is in agreement of what a major earthquake is. Two times in my life, I have witnessed the disastrous effects of an unknown gas leak and don't wish to see a third and would not hesitate to turn off the gas in a "major earthquake."
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#282965 - 12/11/16 12:18 AM
Re: What's your EVC and why?
[Re: Teslinhiker]
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Geezer in Chief
Geezer
Registered: 08/26/06
Posts: 7705
Loc: southern Cal
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Obviously, a major EQ is one that causes leaks in your building! And it probably better to be safe than sorry since fires are a frequent aftermath of EQs. Still, think a bit before shutting down. If you smell gas, it is a nobrainer.
FWIW, I carry a dedicated shut off tool in my CERT pack and I have the means to shut down all utilities stashed beneath the bed.....
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#282966 - 12/11/16 02:32 AM
Re: What's your EVC and why?
[Re: hikermor]
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Pooh-Bah
Registered: 11/25/08
Posts: 1918
Loc: Washington, DC
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I live in downtown Washington, D.C. and strive to have my Honda Element equipped so that I can at least somewhat comfortably endure a couple days stranded in the car -- in any weather. I alter the contents during spring and late fall. The Element itself is a great piece of "gear" -- with seats designed to fold flat for sleeping. Below is, approximately, what is in the car for this winter.
Car Safety & Tools jumper cables, tire air compressor, reflective triangle, strobe flares blaze orange jacket & blaze orange LL Bean LED hat headlamps, flashlights & batteries tools: screwdrivers, wrench, Leatherman Wave, silcock, bike tools pry bar, duct tape, seatbelt cutter/window breaker, cold steel shovel old-fashioned book maps (DC-VA-WV-MD/DE & USA Road Atlas)
Warmth hiking boots (Gore-Tex), Gore-Tex gaiters, Smartwool socks, extra shoe laces down booties, neck-gaiter, balaclava, ear muffs, rain hat, gloves, glove liners long underwear, snow pants chemical hand warmers poncho & umbrella fleece sleeping bag liner (20-degree bag during Jan-Feb) fleece blankets (4 - black ones I keep in the car to conceal gear)
Water & Food (4) 32 oz Nalgene canteens energy bars, nuts, Lipton noodle soup, tea bags
Survival Gear backpack, walking pole w/cane handle Cash (small bills) First-aid kit & guide Fire stuff: matches, Bic lighters, fire-steels, fire starters Folding saw, knives, Gransfors Bruks belt axe Nuwick 120-hour candle Esbit camping cook kit Canteen cup & GSR cup & stainless Sierra cups Compass - Suunto MC-2 D Moleskines + pens (Sharpies) Bronner's Soap Blaze orange bandannas Paracord (neon orange & yellow), garbage bags, tarp AMK Heat-sheets, bivy AM-FM portable radio & batteries
Purse
saving this inventory for the sequel
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#282968 - 12/11/16 01:57 PM
Re: What's your EVC and why?
[Re: hikermor]
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Carpal Tunnel
Registered: 05/05/07
Posts: 3601
Loc: Ontario, Canada
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... it's only the middle of December and I'm already tired of bringing just in case snow suits from the house to the car and back every time we go somewhere. Yesterday I dug out a bunch of old stuff, made sure it fits with room to grow for the kids. There is now an extra set of insulated outerwear for everyone permanently in the car. Winter and sub-zero temps are definitely here now. I almost wiped out yesterday thanks to the ice on my driveway, so I also added a set of micro spikes and a trekking pole. 
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#282969 - 12/11/16 02:20 PM
Re: What's your EVC and why?
[Re: Dagny]
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Carpal Tunnel
Registered: 05/05/07
Posts: 3601
Loc: Ontario, Canada
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The Element itself is a great piece of "gear" -- with seats designed to fold flat for sleeping. I sold my Jeep last year, which was really uncomfortable to sleep in, and moved into a Mazda 5. It's got third row seat which fold down flat. Nice little shelter area if we needed it. I'm probably going to miss the Jeep's 4WD but the car is way better on gas and has lots of space inside. I love being able to fold those seats down and stash stuff there, and still having back seats for the kids. Car Safety & Tools blaze orange LL Bean LED hat I saw something like that the other day and suggested to my son that it would make a great Christmas present for his mom.  Great idea! Extra warmth that takes up very little space. I always debate the merits of extra clothing that requires me to undress to put it on, but it's amazing what a difference a pair of long johns can make - and if they're styled right, we girls could get away with wearing them as pants in a pinch. (I'm not advocating for that, just pointing out the emergency potential.) Survival Gear Cash (small bills) GREAT idea! I had a near miss with a breakdown last week, and had no money for a cab or a tow, thanks a to a series of unexpected expenses at this already expensive time of year. We were actively prepared for a long cold walk, but a nice warm cab would have been welcome. Which makes me think.... I might add a sled to my EVC this winter. It's bacpacgirl's first year without a stroller and having a way to carry her was well as gear is something I hadn't considered until just this moment. Yup. I think I'm going to do that. Thanks Dagny!! Purse
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#283070 - 12/21/16 03:24 AM
Re: What's your EVC and why?
[Re: hikermor]
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Registered: 09/12/01
Posts: 960
Loc: Saskatchewan, Canada
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This is for my local conditions -- YMMV. A couple of the underlined items are currently missing from kit. I promote keeping the vehicle in good repair which means keeping the fluids topped up rather than carrying extra fluids in the vehicle. Car kit (store in trunk, glove compartment, centre console and door panels) - Depends on size of vehicle of what you can carry or your abilities. Sunglasses Garbage bags Cell phone charger Maps and/or GPSr Toilet paper & alcohol hand sanitizer Snow brush/scraper Gloves, mitts, hat or toque, scarf or buff Optional cold weather clothing (parka, insulated pants or bibs, socks, winter boots) Emergency reflective sheet, tarp, (shelter) or poncho Wool blankets or sleeping bag Charcoal hand warmers UCO Candle lantern, extra candles /w matches / ferrocerium rod / lighter Flashlight, headlamp, batteries, whistle Snap chemical lights First aid kit Personal emergency kit Paper, pen/pencil Ethanol or isopropanol NOT Methanol gas line antifreeze for fuel injected cars (also doubles as fuel for my alcohol stove) Cordage, duct tape Ranger bands (cut up inner tube used like a HD rubber band) Bungee cords, brass or steel wire Spare fuses, hose clampsWD-40, silicone spray Set of tools (wrenches, screwdrivers, pliers, side cutters, utility knife, battery post cleaner) Collapsible road cone / Reflector triangle / road flaresMechanical traction aid or cat litter/sand Shovel Roll of shop towels Foot air pump or electric air compressor Tow strap (need at least the weight of your vehicle = 1/3 of rated breaking strength) Jumper cables (the heavier the better) Lithium ion jump start battery pack Water (keep in the cabin not the trunk, it will stay liquid longer except in the coldest climates) Food (food not really necessary but it relieves the boredom) Cooking container Fire extinguisher Gas can (empty) Duffle bag, backpack or something else to carry your gear in Hardhat, hi-vis vest, safety glasses, safety boots (I'm in construction so this is standard carry!) Tire jack and wrench Full size spare if you can fit it. Keep your gas tank full; lowest grade fuel has 7-10% ethanol, which emulsifies and suspends water; is hydrophilic and can contain up to 4 teaspoons of water per gallon. Too much suspended water can actually lead to phase separation where the water-contaminated ethanol separates from the gasoline. Premium grade has zero ethanol so if you have issues with sputtering, engine stalling, missing or running rough – fill with premium grade for a tank.) Don’t run your engine more than a couple of minutes to warm the vehicle cabin as the lower engine temperatures can lead to build up of gunk in the engine causing start-up problems. Judicial use of remote car starter. In severe cold, do run your engine for at least 30 seconds so that the oil can circulate and lubricate the engine properly – especially turbo-charged engines. (The time it takes to scrape the windshield or brush off the snow is sufficient.) However, don’t run the engine at high speed until the vehicle has had a chance to warm up (about 10-15 min.) Turbo-charged engines should also be allowed to cool down for 30+ seconds to prevent “cooking” of the oil. Your gas filler tube location on your car is indicated by the tiny triangle on your gas gauge. Clean your battery terminals of corrosion in the winter by using a wire brush, solution of baking soda, coating the clean terminals with grease or WD-40. Change automatic transmission oil, gear oils and brake fluids as per your vehicle manual. Change and flush your radiator coolant. Have the garage test the fluid for the proper temperature rating and top up with fluid and distilled water. Note: if your coolant overflows or if you spill – clean it up right away because if your pets lick it up they can be poisoned from drinking the sweet tasting glycol fluid. Use winter tires or studded winter tires because they are far more effective for control and braking than all-season tires. I use the minus1 system for my tires, i.e. I choose to use a wheel that is one size smaller but compensate by using a taller profile tire so that the diameter is the same. The taller tire is slightly skinnier and able to run through the snow better and they are generally cheaper than wide shorter profile tires. Tire pressure gauge – check tires monthly for the correct and even pressure across all four tires. Also check your spare tire and inflate it to a higher pressure than your regular tires – you can always partially deflate a tire to the correct pressure. Check the depth of your tire tread with a gauge or a coin. Less than 5/32” is not sufficient for travelling on snow while 4/32” is the minimum for summer tires on wet roads. A normal winter tire has between 11-13/32” depth. Slip a toonie in between your tread blocks. If the tread reaches the bear’s paws, your tires have lots of tread left (they are probably new!). If the silver part of the toonie is covered by the tread block, your tires are about half worn and if the tread reaches only as far as the letters (‘CANADA’ or ‘DOLLARS’) - your tires are worn and need to be replaced. https://youtu.be/_xJxY04cZkkClear the snow (and mud and salt) off the vehicles including lights and roof. Check weather and road conditions before setting out, let people know about your travel plans, use the work-alone travel app on your phone. When in trouble: turn on your 4-way signals and raise the hood. People are far more likely to stop to help when you raise the hood. Advanced signalling techniques (beyond honking the horn, blowing the whistle). Ladies: if you are uncomfortable with the person who has stopped to give you help (might be a bit sketchy) then tell them that you have phoned for assistance already and are just waiting for them to show up. Carry bear spray for self-defence.
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#283077 - 12/22/16 12:20 AM
Re: What's your EVC and why?
[Re: Bingley]
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Geezer in Chief
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Registered: 08/26/06
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Binkley, if you look around you can find threads that discuss the various merits of wool vs. fleece (by fleece, i understand polyester fleece, not something of cotton, which is pretty much junk). I don't think there is any practically significant difference in warmth between the two materials. I have been served equally well by both.
What is critical is the thickness of the material. Polyester synthetics aren't eaten by moths, but wool is more fire resistant. Synthetics probably dry a bit faster and don't hold as much water. Either one will keep you alive to see another sunrise....
Edited by hikermor (12/22/16 12:20 AM)
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#283080 - 12/22/16 02:05 AM
Re: What's your EVC and why?
[Re: hikermor]
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Geezer
Registered: 06/02/06
Posts: 5359
Loc: SOCAL
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Does polyester fleece keep you warm when wet, or does drying fast make up for that aspect? Note that clothing-wise, I normally wear wool under fleece; I like them both.
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#283081 - 12/22/16 04:53 AM
Re: What's your EVC and why?
[Re: Russ]
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Geezer in Chief
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Registered: 08/26/06
Posts: 7705
Loc: southern Cal
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My experience has been that saturated fleece can be wrung out quite quickly and will be relatively drier than comparable wool almost immediately. I like both, but fleece has lasted longer than wool for me. I still have the first fleece jacket I bought back in 1981. It still functions,although it is a little threadbare in the elbows. None of my good woolen items from that era have lasted that long.
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#283096 - 12/25/16 12:53 AM
Re: What's your EVC and why?
[Re: bacpacjac]
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Enthusiast
Registered: 12/06/06
Posts: 392
Loc: CT
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...because my understanding is that they are more fire retardant.. Mom is in a nursing home. They still have wool blankets in bags, mounted on the wall, for fire suppression. I don't know if this is a regular problem with the wheelchair races, or not... 
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#284221 - 04/12/17 05:46 PM
Re: What's your EVC and why?
[Re: hikermor]
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Carpal Tunnel
Registered: 03/11/05
Posts: 2574
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EVC - cash, spare phone charger, spare GPS, filled water bottle in the Summer, Clean dress shirt.
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