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#281922 - 08/30/16 09:35 PM Re: NYC Knife Law Question [Re: haertig]
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Originally Posted By: haertig
I wonder, are fixed blade knives a problem in NY too? They're kind of the culmination of "fast opening and locking". They're always open and locked.


Under 4 inches and carried fully concealed is legal
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#281924 - 08/30/16 11:11 PM Re: NYC Knife Law Question [Re: chaosmagnet]
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Originally Posted By: chaosmagnet
My plan is to carry an LM Rebar, concealed in a pocket. I don't like doing without an OHO blade but I also don't want to have any run-ins with NYPD. Fortunately it will be a brief visit.


Unfortunately, the Rebar blades do lock. I would either take the precaution of popping off the locking bars, or going with something that doesn't lock.


Originally Posted By: chaosmagnet
I'm not a lawyer, this is what I looked up. Apparently carrying a "dirk, dagger or stiletto" carries with it the rebuttable presumption that one intended to use it unlawfully against a person. I haven't found definitions of "dirk, dagger or stiletto" that are sufficiently clear to me to indicate that any fixed knife I own isn't one of those under NYC law. I suspect that I could win in court if I were ticketed or arrested for carrying a small fixie, but I sure as heck don't want to find out.


dirk, dagger or stiletto has commonly been accepted to mean fixed blade knives. IIRC, modified to cut or stab, i.e. sharpened screwdriver, also falls under this definition.
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#281927 - 08/30/16 11:52 PM Re: NYC Knife Law Question [Re: chaosmagnet]
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It has to be both OHO and locking to be in violation of their (incorrect, IMO) interpretation of the gravity knife law.

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#281929 - 08/31/16 03:13 AM Re: NYC Knife Law Question [Re: Mark_R]
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Originally Posted By: Mark_R
Unfortunately, the Rebar blades do lock. I would either take the precaution of popping off the locking bars, or going with something that doesn't lock.

While they lock, I believe they also open to the inside (you have to unfold the handles before you can deploy the blade). This is in contrast to tools like the Wave, where the blades open to the outside.

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#281937 - 08/31/16 05:01 PM Re: NYC Knife Law Question [Re: haertig]
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Originally Posted By: haertig
Originally Posted By: Mark_R
Unfortunately, the Rebar blades do lock. I would either take the precaution of popping off the locking bars, or going with something that doesn't lock.

While they lock, I believe they also open to the inside (you have to unfold the handles before you can deploy the blade). This is in contrast to tools like the Wave, where the blades open to the outside.


Correct. Unlikely a Rebar would create any issues, BUT, do NOT carry in a pouch as that is technically not concealed!
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#281941 - 08/31/16 06:54 PM Re: NYC Knife Law Question [Re: Doug_Ritter]
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Originally Posted By: Doug_Ritter
Originally Posted By: haertig
Originally Posted By: Mark_R
Unfortunately, the Rebar blades do lock. I would either take the precaution of popping off the locking bars, or going with something that doesn't lock.

While they lock, I believe they also open to the inside (you have to unfold the handles before you can deploy the blade). This is in contrast to tools like the Wave, where the blades open to the outside.


Correct. Unlikely a Rebar would create any issues, BUT, do NOT carry in a pouch as that is technically not concealed!


I hadn't thought of that. A mechanical end-run around a legal end-run. I suppose the same logic of additional steps could also apply to Gerber MP and SOG PowerPlier series of multitools.
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#281944 - 08/31/16 07:45 PM Re: NYC Knife Law Question [Re: Mark_R]
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How about the classic, original Leatherman PST - inside opening and non-locking. Mine served capably for years...
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#281959 - 09/01/16 03:50 AM Re: NYC Knife Law Question [Re: hikermor]
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I guess you really need to know the laws. I shudder to think that the stuff I carry every day here in Colorado would land me in prison for a decade or more in some other jurisdiction. New York, Chicago, Washington D.C., New Jersey, California. It's a bit sad that we've ended up like this. It definitely DOES affect where I am willing to travel to. And I always re-familiarize myself with the laws before traveling anywhere, even to places I've known to be OK in the past. Some places I just won't travel too, period. Not for business, not for pleasure. It's just not worth the potential trouble.

I mean, what do you do if you're flying with a legally declared handgun in a legal lockbox in your checked luggage, from friendly place A to friendly place B. But due to weather or mechanical issues, you plane is diverted and forced to land in New Jersey, where you have to deplane, collect your checked luggage, and spend the night. You are so screwed. Might as well just head on over to the prison and check yourself in. It looks like knife laws will get you into similar trouble as well.

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#281960 - 09/01/16 04:26 AM Re: NYC Knife Law Question [Re: haertig]
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Originally Posted By: haertig
I mean, what do you do if you're flying with a legally declared handgun in a legal lockbox in your checked luggage, from friendly place A to friendly place B. But due to weather or mechanical issues, you plane is diverted and forced to land in New Jersey, where you have to deplane, collect your checked luggage, and spend the night.


According to a class taught by an attorney on such matters, refuse to accept the firearm. Tell the airline it's their responsibility. I am guessing there is a good chance you may not get your handgun back, but that's better than prison. I am not a lawyer, so take my advice at your own risk.

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#281971 - 09/01/16 11:54 PM Re: NYC Knife Law Question [Re: Bingley]
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Originally Posted By: Bingley
According to a class taught by an attorney on such matters, refuse to accept the firearm. Tell the airline it's their responsibility.

How do you do that? There's no special handling of firearms after you declare and check them. There are no markings on the outside of your luggage telling what they contain. It's totally stealth after your initial declare, special screening and hand-over. After that part, your bags are re-mixed in with everybody elses luggage. Your bags fulls of guns just roll out on the baggage delivery carousels like every other piece of luggage. That's why you move from your plane to baggage pick-up ASAP, so you can be there right when yours comes out so nobody else can grab it first. There's nobody to refuse to.

You'd think an attorney teaching a class on such matters would at least know how the process works. But apparently not.

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