Hi Tom,<br><br>Yep, thinsulate poncho liners seem to be good, but if this shocks you as an American then multiply the price of such an thinsulate poncho liner by 2.5 and then you'll have the price that I have to pay in Guilders. I've seen them for $50 and for that money I can buy a sleepingbag that will keep me warmer and is decent quality.<br>If somebody over here makes $10 net an hour in Dutch money he has a VERY good salary.<br>For a lot of "normal" earning people $50 is at least half a days hard work sometimes even almost a day.<br><br>Perhaps I can get the normal military version in an army surplus store.<br><br>Best Scouting wishes from Holland,<br><br>Bagheera