#280356 - 04/17/16 10:57 AM
Top 10 YouTube Survivalist Channels
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WatchMojo.coms: Top 10 YouTube Survivalist Channels https://youtu.be/fpyVv7hnS54qjs
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#280359 - 04/17/16 06:27 PM
Re: Top 10 YouTube Survivalist Channels
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#280364 - 04/18/16 11:16 AM
Re: Top 10 YouTube Survivalist Channels
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Good resource for folks. Thanks,QJS
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#280368 - 04/18/16 04:31 PM
Re: Top 10 YouTube Survivalist Channels
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Roarmeister wrote > you also have to take some of the advice with a grain of salt
I'm afraid that advice applies to everything in life.
God knows why Black Scout Survival thinks survival has so much to do with lock picking and he thinks Katrinas aftermath was the city descending into anarchy and a .45 bullet is the ultimate man stopper.
BUT he also has some sensible suggestions in there.
Of the ones I've seen so far; Alfie Aesthetics was the most pleasant surprise. Lot of good advice presented in an entertaining way. I'll never make a feather stick now I've seen what he can do with a simple pencil sharpener.
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#280371 - 04/18/16 07:34 PM
Re: Top 10 YouTube Survivalist Channels
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I'll check out the link but I will admit upfront that I'm put off by the term 'survivalist'.
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#280386 - 04/18/16 10:12 PM
Re: Top 10 YouTube Survivalist Channels
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These days, when you talk "survival," there are at least two separate arenas. One is the traditional wilderness situation, where you contend with the forces of nature and what equipment and skills you possess to live until you can return to civilization (or a reasonable facsimile) and a more normal life. The other is what is often encapsulated in the term 'survivalist', where civilization dissolves or alters substantially, resulting in SHTF (essentially unrestrained mayhem) and you need such things as lock picking skills and 45 ACP. I think this forum tends to shy away from the latter scenario, which in my opinion, is mostly fantasy.
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#280398 - 04/19/16 05:31 AM
Re: Top 10 YouTube Survivalist Channels
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That's how I see it, Hikermor. I think the SHTF/TEOTWAWKI is almost entirely a lurid fantasy/wish on the part of those that feel marginalized by society. I'm 100% in favor of preparedness but the term "prepping" has been tarred with the same brush. To me survival is (personally) wilderness survival and being prepared is dealing with the kind of stuff that's common where I live (thunderstorms, blizzards, power outages, tornadoes, unemployment, etc).
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#280399 - 04/19/16 06:38 AM
Re: Top 10 YouTube Survivalist Channels
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I think the SHTF/TEOTWAWKI is almost entirely a lurid fantasy/wish on the part of those that feel marginalized by society...  Do you ever watch/read world news? Location location location  note: didn't watch the video and I doubt I will
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#280400 - 04/19/16 07:20 AM
Re: Top 10 YouTube Survivalist Channels
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Sure, there are disasters happening around the world -- just look at Syria! Look at ISIS-controlled territories! But the world envisioned in most TEOTWAWKI planning resembles Walking Dead more than any sort of known historical situation.
I have attempted to start some discussions with survivalists about how they'd fare in actual historical situations. Some of the worst ones include war, completely corrupt and depraved governments, and natural and man-made disasters happening at the same time. In other words, you're caught between forces that you cannot possibly fight. Alas, they don't understand this. They're thinking in an innocent, American way: TEOTWAWKI means a return to the frontier days, with threats from small, dangerous roving bands of desperadoes. The military, if it survives in some form, is "probably on our side." So mainly you need to homestead, and have an ample supply of ammo. For them, TEOTWAWKI is a version of the wild west.
Maybe TEOTWAWKI is totally different from the disaster zones and war zones around the world, but to me, if you cannot survive ISIS, then you don't have a good shot at surviving something even worse.
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#280401 - 04/19/16 01:18 PM
Re: Top 10 YouTube Survivalist Channels
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You put it quite well. The usual solution to the imagined problem is a return to simpler times and something like pioneer self sufficiency - good luck with that. Of course, the thinking goes that good luck will occur, provided you have enough ammo to defend your stash. The imagined failure is often conceived of as a sudden catastrophic collapse of all order, with complete, everyone for themselves, dog eat dog existence. Probably not so much.
I am reminded of a famous line - "this is the way the world ends - not with a bang, but a whimper" ts eliot??
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#280405 - 04/19/16 03:57 PM
Re: Top 10 YouTube Survivalist Channels
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Yup. From "The Wasteland", TS Eliot.
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#280409 - 04/19/16 05:36 PM
Re: Top 10 YouTube Survivalist Channels
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Sure, there are disasters happening around the world -- just look at Syria! Look at ISIS-controlled territories! But the world envisioned in most TEOTWAWKI planning resembles Walking Dead more than any sort of known historical situation.
I have attempted to start some discussions with survivalists about how they'd fare in actual historical situations. Some of the worst ones include war, completely corrupt and depraved governments, and natural and man-made disasters happening at the same time. In other words, you're caught between forces that you cannot possibly fight. Alas, they don't understand this. They're thinking in an innocent, American way: TEOTWAWKI means a return to the frontier days, with threats from small, dangerous roving bands of desperadoes. The military, if it survives in some form, is "probably on our side." So mainly you need to homestead, and have an ample supply of ammo. For them, TEOTWAWKI is a version of the wild west.
Maybe TEOTWAWKI is totally different from the disaster zones and war zones around the world, but to me, if you cannot survive ISIS, then you don't have a good shot at surviving something even worse. I'm inclined to think that TEOTWAWKI would be the result of conflict. Either an invasion, or a state sponsored genocide/oppression. The poor schlmozzles in the Russian Gulag definitely had things as they knew it end. So did the piles of bones in Armenia, Assyria, Greece, Rwanda, Cambodia, Bosnia, and a legion of other locations. Playing pioneer during TEOTWAWKI is a nice fantasy, but it is an unlikely one. If things get bad enough to be called TEOTWAWKI, it'll probably be state supported, and tolerated, if not encouraged, by the local population.
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#280420 - 04/20/16 05:13 AM
Re: Top 10 YouTube Survivalist Channels
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I'm hesitant to expand much just since this topic is 1) done to death and 2) not really what ETS is about. But briefly, yes- of course S has HTF in the past and will in the future. No place is completely immune to a breakdown of the social order. I think it's unlikely that a Western liberal democracy will descend into anarchy anytime soon but I'll concede it's not impossible. My main issue with the entire TEOTWAWKI thing is that it will almost certainly be nothing like the survivalists think it will be. The closest analogs to TEOTWAWKI in modern times would probably be the war in Bosnia in the 90's. None of the current survivalist strategies would have been of much us in that situation. I don't think you really can be prepared for the utter collapse of human civilization and a descent to Mad Max conditions. Personally I'm not sure I would want to survive it, either. I like the wilderness but I enjoy living within the context of being part of human society. Scratching out a few years living like an animal doesn't hold much appeal for me. [/rant off] 
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#280421 - 04/20/16 12:59 PM
Re: Top 10 YouTube Survivalist Channels
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Good rant!
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