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#27360 - 05/05/04 03:03 PM Knives and Scissors & Corkscrews OK on Planes
MartinFocazio Offline

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Registered: 01/21/03
Posts: 2203
Loc: Bucks County PA
Now here's a market. TSA-OK Multitools!

Per the TSA web site:
Allowed on your person on a plane:

Cigar Cutters (WHY??? You can't smoke on board!)
Corkscrews
Cuticle Cutters
Eyeglass Repair Tools (including screwdrivers)
Eyelash Curlers
Knitting and Crochet Needles
Knives, round-bladed butter or plastic
Lighters (WHY???? - You can't smoke on board!)
Nail Clippers
Nail Files
Safety Razors (including disposable razors)
Scissors-plastic or metal with blunt tips
Tweezers
Umbrellas (allowed in carry-on baggage once they have been inspected to ensure that prohibited items are not concealed)
Walking Canes (allowed in carry-on baggage once they have been inspected to ensure that prohibited items are not concealed)

Amazingly, wrenches and pliers are NOT allowed.

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#27361 - 05/05/04 04:54 PM Re: Knives and Scissors & Corkscrews OK on Planes
Anonymous
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It is cool that they finally allow butter knives on board, but there is still a long road to sanity.

Lighters are not allowed to be shipped in the luggage hold. This is a fire/explosion hazard. The only alternative to allowing them to be carried is to confiscate all of them. This is why it is impossible to ship a gun-shaped lighter by air. The lighter can not be stowed in baggage, the gun replica can not be carried in the cabin.

I still think a long knitting needle can do a lot more permanent type damage than my little keyring SAK.

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#27362 - 05/05/04 08:20 PM Re: Knives and Scissors & Corkscrews OK on Planes
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Expecting common sense and intelligence from the screenernazis isn’t going to happen. This is the same bunch, supposedly dedicated to protecting us, which hassled World War II Medal of Honor winner Joe Foss because his five-pointed medal “could be considered a weapon.”

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#27363 - 05/05/04 09:44 PM Re: Knives and Scissors & Corkscrews OK on Planes
Eugene Offline
Carpal Tunnel

Registered: 12/26/02
Posts: 2997
So if one were to round off the end of a SAK blade and carry a dinner roll and bit of butter it can go on the plane?
And on the flip side one could take a rounded butter knife and sand paper and have a sharp blade by the end of the flight <img src="images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

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#27364 - 05/06/04 05:02 AM Re: Knives and Scissors & Corkscrews OK on Planes
Vinosaur Offline
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Registered: 03/25/04
Posts: 128
Loc: North Central IL
Good point. If I may interject my two cents, no one wins the Medal of Honor. One receives it. It isn't a contest. Especially considering the fact that about 90% of recipients receive the award posthumously. Sorry to spit hairs, but one of the things that gets burned into you in the military.
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#27365 - 05/07/04 07:11 AM Re: Knives and Scissors & Corkscrews OK on Planes
Bagheera Offline
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Registered: 11/30/01
Posts: 62
Loc: The Netherlands (Europe)
Hi guys,

What amazes me completely is that when I flew from Schiphol Airport (The Netherlands) they tried to take my lighter from me, well I kept it in the end but the Marchaussee (Dutch Military Police) came and had a look at it and let me keep my lighter, but you then walk into the tax free shpps and buy yourseldf 2 bottles of champagne or some other liquer in glas bottles and just carry them on the plane.

I don't know how you think about it but I would rather face a bad guy with a timy keyring SAK then one who drank the champagne (if allowed by religion) and then breaking the bottles leaving him with very dangerous glas attack weapons (bottle necks + piece of bottle body).

I personally think that you don't keep an hijacking from happening by giving my mother-in-law who's 74 years old an hard time about a tiny diamond nail file smaller then 3" and confiscating it from her because it had a "point" that normally is used for cleaniing your nails.
When I heard it I was disgusted, bought a new one and rounded of the point instructing her when she came back that this one is legal and they couldn't confiscate this one, correction they shouldn't confiscate this one.

Bets Scouting wishes from Holland,

Bagheera

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#27366 - 05/07/04 09:12 PM Re: Knives and Scissors & Corkscrews OK on Planes
aardwolfe Offline
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Registered: 08/22/01
Posts: 924
Loc: St. John's, Newfoundland
Bagheera;

I've been saying that for years. The problem with airport security (and Doug has an excellent article on this website somewhere) is that the people responsible for it don't understand security and how it works.

Look at any mediaeval castle (since you're in Holland, you won't likely have far to travel <img src="images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> ) and ask yourself, if I wanted to capture that castle, what would I have to do? Then you'll start to understand the concept of "defense in depth".

Take Edinburgh Castle, for just one example. It's built at the top of a "crag and tail" formation; the castle is surrounded on three sides by steep, rocky cliffs. On the fourth side is the parade square. Why is it the parade square? Because they kept it clear of obstructions for as far as an archer could shoot.

Fine, so you manage to cross several hundred feet of open ground under withering fire from the castle archers; now what? You get to cross the moat, with the defenders dropping big rocks and boiling oil on you. You manage to get across the moat; now you either have to scale a 30 foot high vertical stone wall (as people are still pouring boiling oil and dropping jagged limestone boulders on your head) or punch your way through an 18-inch thick oak door.

Okay, you've done that; what's next? They have ANOTHER FREAKING CASTLE inside that one. And the door's on the other side, which means you got to fight your way all the way around the outside of the inner sanctum just to get to the next door you need to break through. Get the point?

The point is, our ancestors understood this concept in the 11th century, 1000 years ago. Now look at the defenses at your typical North American airport.

Hmm - you've got a couple of bored, underpaid security guards with X-ray machines and metal detectors. That's it; there's no "defense in depth"; once you smuggle a weapon past the metal detectors (or, even better, buy it in the duty-free shop once you get inside) there's nothing (officially) stopping you. (Unofficially, there's a couple of hundred potential Todd Beamers who would just as soon go down fighting as meekly give you control of the airliner. Plus, you can bet your bottom dollar that the pilot, in extremis, will "encounter" the worst turbulence you ever experienced as soon as you start trying to bust through into the cockpit <img src="images/graemlins/shocked.gif" alt="" /> just as Captain Uri Bar-Lev did in September 1970 - 31 years before 9/11!

(Two weeks after 9/11, Robert Pollock, an editor with the Wall Street Journal, interviewed Captain Bar-Lev. The article concludes with the following paragraph:
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But Capt. Bar-Lev says crews throughout the rest of the world still have to worry about prosecution and lawsuits because of actions they might take to resist hijackers. The laws and treaties governing civil aviation in most countries give pilots a vague responsibility for the "welfare" of their passengers--an obligation the recent hijackers apparently took advantage of to lure pilots from their cockpits by attacking stewardesses. Since Sept. 11, the U.S. government has taken important steps, such as placing more armed marshals on flights and increasing check-in security. But a vital last line of defense is to change the law to make resisting hijackings the top priority for airline crews. "If American aviation wants to fight terror," says Capt. Bar-Lev, "first it has to be built into the crew and they need legal tools to be able to fight. It's not enough to hire extra personnel and train them to look at people."
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(okay, rant mode off <img src="images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /> )
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