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| #272477 - 10/25/14 11:42 AM  Re: How much should a survival bag weigh?
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How you carry the bag makes a big difference. I used a laptop bag once and was horrified how heavy it seemed, compared to the same weight in a rucksack. 
 A rucksack can also be the bottom of an improvised bivvy bag, if you are wearing a long jacket, is a lot more expandable; you can tie items to it and one can easily carry a coat under the top (ideally get longer staps fitted).
 
 Also of course a laptop bag screams: 'something here worth stealing'.
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| #272478 - 10/25/14 02:18 PM  Re: How much should a survival bag weigh?
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Be realistic.  10lb/5kg.GHB presumes that you have no access to transportation except for the Feet, Mk 1, General Issue.
 5kg is equivalent to 5 bags of suger. That's alot to carry any real distance.
 It's strictly food, water, shelter.  Everything else should be on your person.
 
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| #272479 - 10/25/14 02:37 PM  Re: How much should a survival bag weigh?
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One other point: The bag you carry it in is the key element. A bad bag?
 Expect serious pain.
 
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| #272480 - 10/25/14 02:41 PM  Re: How much should a survival bag weigh?
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Agree.  Furthermore, a BOB intended to be carried on your back should be the same.  If you need to bug out, you need to be able to move quickly.  Heavy packs slow you down and tire you out.  Stash survival gear in a cache or at a site where you can wait out the "storm".  
 My intent is to bug in, at least initially.  YMMV
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| #272482 - 10/25/14 03:20 PM  Re: How much should a survival bag weigh?
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Thinking about a 72-hour bag for reasonably temperate climes my thoughts start at "the rule of threes" and go like this: Shelter: At least a Heatsheets blanket, some cordage and a knife, along with wearing clothes appropriate for the location and seasonWater: By far the heaviest part of what I would have, in addition to bringing clean water I would also want to have chlorine dioxide tabs, a small cookpot, and firestarting materialsFood: Not essential for 72 hours but awfully nice to have, there are a lot of options here but try to find something that isn't terribly thirst-provokingCommunication: A charger for your cellphone, a PLB or a SEND, this is the thing that if it works keeps you from needing all the other things, or at least needing them for as longKnife: At the minimum a good folding knife and a good multitool, preferably add a fixed blade knife as well if you're going to do any serious shelter-building or fire-startingFire: Lighter, matches, firesteel, tinder, redundancy is cheap and light while not being able to start a fire may end badly for youFlashlight: After communication, knife and fire this is the most important thing that I think is really hard to improvise, have a good oneNavigation: Staying put once you're lost is usually best, but having a map and compass may keep you from getting lost in the first place
 Altogether, not including appropriate clothes and footwear, but including half of the weight being water, you're looking at around twenty pounds.  Keep in mind that you may need to add more water, or a sleep system, or a tent, or other things depending on where you are and what you're doing. EDITED TO ADD: My Internet was flakey when I posted this.  That's my excuse and I'm sticking with it. Add first aid, sunscreen, bug spray, and duct tape.
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| #272485 - 10/25/14 07:46 PM  Re: How much should a survival bag weigh?
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That is the high end way to go certainly, but if you know what you are doing, the cost and weight will decline considerably. Instead of the expensive tent, fabricate a snow cave, which is both cheaper and more suitable, at least based on my limited near-Arctic experience.  Same goes for the rest of the gear...
 A lot depends upon what we mean by "survival," specifically the degree of discomfort that is tolerable.  And, again, ambient conditions are all important.
 
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| #272488 - 10/25/14 11:07 PM  Re: How much should a survival bag weigh?
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Carry what you can actually handle, but situation is more important than rules when trying to figure out what you can/should carry! 
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| #272490 - 10/26/14 02:14 AM  Re: How much should a survival bag weigh?
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Thinking about a 72-hour bag for reasonably temperate climes my thoughts start at "the rule of threes" and go like this: Shelter: At least a Heatsheets blanket, some cordage and a knife, along with wearing clothes appropriate for the location and seasonWater: By far the heaviest part of what I would have, in addition to bringing clean water I would also want to have chlorine dioxide tabs, a small cookpot, and firestarting materialsFood: Not essential for 72 hours but awfully nice to have, there are a lot of options here but try to find something that isn't terribly thirst-provokingCommunication: A charger for your cellphone, a PLB or a SEND, this is the thing that if it works keeps you from needing all the other things, or at least needing them for as longKnife: At the minimum a good folding knife and a good multitool, preferably add a fixed blade knife as well if you're going to do any serious shelter-building or fire-startingFire: Lighter, matches, firesteel, tinder, redundancy is cheap and light while not being able to start a fire may end badly for youFlashlight: After communication, knife and fire this is the most important thing that I think is really hard to improvise, have a good oneNavigation: Staying put once you're lost is usually best, but having a map and compass may keep you from getting lost in the first place
 Altogether, not including appropriate clothes and footwear, but including half of the weight being water, you're looking at around twenty pounds.  Keep in mind that you may need to add more water, or a sleep system, or a tent, or other things depending on where you are and what you're doing. EDITED TO ADD: My Internet was flakey when I posted this.  That's my excuse and I'm sticking with it. Add first aid, sunscreen, bug spray, and duct tape.   That is a good list. I have a lot of the above. I'm looking for a good personal location beacon. I saw someone mention ACR. Is that the best one or is there something better? |  
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