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#270529 - 06/18/14 03:41 PM Re: Lightweight/compact shelter/protection [Re: Herman30]
AKSAR Offline
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Originally Posted By: Herman30
If I had the need for a lightweight shelter, I think I would get the Hilleberg Bivanorak. http://www.hilleberg.com/home/products/bivanorak/bivanorak.php

Long enough to cover legs and feet. A hood. Fully waterproof. Able to cinch shut the opening for hands and feet and therby have a protectiv sack. Weight only 1 pound 4 oz.
This is almost identical (just perhaps slightly longer) with what we used to call a "cagoule".

As I said up thread, there is a more or less complete continuum from "bivanorak" (or cagoule) to bivy bag to bothy bag. I guess it just depends on if you are a lumper or a splitter. If you are a lumper then it is mostly just semantics.
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#270530 - 06/18/14 04:38 PM Re: Lightweight/compact shelter/protection [Re: AKSAR]
Deathwind Offline
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I agree with AKSAR, that's a long Cagoule. But at least you aren't forced to draw your knees to your chest like in an old, shorter model. Still I prefer the light bag/bivy combo over a cagoule.

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#270532 - 06/18/14 05:11 PM Re: Lightweight/compact shelter/protection [Re: Deathwind]
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What ever happened to cagoules? Years ago, I was on the verge of buying one and just never got around to it...They do seem a rather practical point along the caganobivyboth continuum.
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#270533 - 06/18/14 05:41 PM Re: Lightweight/compact shelter/protection [Re: Omega]
Deathwind Offline
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They went the way of disco and Rambo movies Hikermor.

I just listened to this guy, and while extremely long winded he does have valid points on carrying a tent and a sleeping bag in a BOB. And the failings of standard survival gear such as $1 ponchos.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KGYTBoEaaoI

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#270534 - 06/18/14 05:56 PM Re: Lightweight/compact shelter/protection [Re: Omega]
Herman30 Offline
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Registered: 08/08/06
Posts: 508
Loc: Finland
To round it up I´m just happy for time being with what I´ve got. That is; the Kifaru woobie express as the insulating layer and Snugpak poncho that goes on top as the weather proof layer. There´s enough light shelter and cover for my needs. Especially because it is possible to pull in arms and keep them against the body for warmth.

Thus equipped I´m confident that it is possible to spend a night or two sitting up against a tree, if need be.


Edited by Herman30 (06/18/14 06:02 PM)

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#270535 - 06/18/14 06:48 PM Re: Lightweight/compact shelter/protection [Re: hikermor]
clearwater Offline
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Registered: 03/19/05
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Originally Posted By: hikermor
What ever happened to cagoules? Years ago, I was on the verge of buying one and just never got around to it...They do seem a rather practical point along the caganobivyboth continuum.


http://www.rockcreek.com/patagonia/post-foamback-cagoule-mens/37278.rc

http://www.campmor.com/red-ledge-summit-cagoule.shtml

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#270537 - 06/18/14 11:06 PM Re: Lightweight/compact shelter/protection [Re: Deathwind]
Am_Fear_Liath_Mor Offline
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Quote:
and while extremely long winded he does have valid points on carrying a tent and a sleeping bag in a BOB


Yeah, but a tent makes you a happy camper, rather than a tacticool hardcore high speed space shuttle door gunner survivalist operator who works out down the gym like these fellows. (training for Dual Survival screen test wink )

Even SAS have been driven insane by the west coast Scottish Midge, which is why I like one of these;

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Tatonka-Double-D...me+Mosquito+Net

or see your local Avon Cosmetics representative. Put your Bog myrtle in your Avon So Soft Body lotion not the beer!

Just throw a basha (10x12') over it and peg out for a flexible BOB shelter. You can replace the fibre poles with stronger DAC aluminium poles and save 300 grams.




Edited by Am_Fear_Liath_Mor (06/19/14 12:00 AM)

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#270544 - 06/19/14 07:04 AM Re: Lightweight/compact shelter/protection [Re: Omega]
CANOEDOGS Offline
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Registered: 02/03/07
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Loc: MINNESOTA
Am Fear..you have the right idea about a tent.there are small one person tents that are like that bug shelter but have a rain fly and would be a much better shelter than a tarp or make-do shelter from a poncho.
many years ago i went on canoe trips using my canoe and a tarp for a shelter.the canoe made a secure water proof roof but taking it down and putting it up in a different way at each camp site was a lot of work.a self standing tent was a few pegs and a couple poles and went up fast in bad weather anyplace.
i think folks are looking for to many clever work-arounds when it come to a basic shelter when a small tent will fit the bill.
i have a old one from the "orange camping gear era" i'll dig it out for a photo.

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#270548 - 06/19/14 12:13 PM Re: Lightweight/compact shelter/protection [Re: hikermor]
Omega Offline
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Registered: 11/10/03
Posts: 77
Originally Posted By: hikermor
Consider the Gatewood Cape - dual function poncho/rain gear and shelter. I have no personal experience, but I hear good things - http://www.sixmoondesigns.com/tarps/GatewoodCape.html


That's a really cool looking thing! reminds me Russian military plasch-palatka. Perhaps slightly on a heavy side, but still it should do a good job

Originally Posted By: Herman30
If I had the need for a lightweight shelter, I think I would get the Hilleberg Bivanorak. http://www.hilleberg.com/home/products/bivanorak/bivanorak.php

Long enough to cover legs and feet. A hood. Fully waterproof. Able to cinch shut the opening for hands and feet and therby have a protectiv sack. Weight only 1 pound 4 oz.

This is also a great thing! Amazing!


Edited by Omega (06/19/14 12:22 PM)

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#270549 - 06/19/14 04:35 PM Re: Lightweight/compact shelter/protection [Re: Am_Fear_Liath_Mor]
Deathwind Offline
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Registered: 02/01/14
Posts: 310
Lol. Very true Am Fear. Guess I'm back in nerd class, being equipped to survive, and not being cool.

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