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#269854 - 05/12/14 10:06 PM Threats on the horizon
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http://www.theatlantic.com/health/archiv...-for-me/361931/

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The single existential risk that Tegmark worries about most is unfriendly artificial intelligence. That is, when computers are able to start improving themselves, there will be a rapid increase in their capacities, and then, Tegmark says, it’s very difficult to predict what will happen.



"Longer term—and this might mean 10 years, it might mean 50 or 100 years, depending on who you ask—when computers can do everything we can do," Tegmark said, "after that they will probably very rapidly get vastly better than us at everything, and we’ll face this question we talked about in the Huffington Post article: whether there’s really a place for us after that, or not." I imagined glances from nearby museum-goers.

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#269855 - 05/12/14 10:56 PM Re: Threats on the horizon [Re: Bingley]
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Sounds like the often encountered standard SciFi movie plot.

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#269856 - 05/12/14 11:16 PM Re: Threats on the horizon [Re: Bingley]
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Automated systems are already an economic threat to people, especially minimum wage earners. If your job can be replaced by a machine it will be replaced by a machine. That'll happen before the machine uprising.

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#269857 - 05/12/14 11:38 PM Re: Threats on the horizon [Re: Blast]
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I completely agree!!!!
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#269862 - 05/13/14 05:39 AM Re: Threats on the horizon [Re: Bingley]
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The prerequisite for mechanized sentience is AI. Hopefully those who develop it will incorporate Asimov's three rules of robotics. If not, we will get skynet.
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#269865 - 05/13/14 01:01 PM Re: Threats on the horizon [Re: Bingley]
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I can tell you exactly when computers will get self awareness: never.
They don't have minds. A computer is a lot of switches that can be on or off and that's all they are. Ask any computer bod. They are as able to think, as a big box of light switches is able to become the terminator. Artificial Intelligence doesn't exist. They can only pretend to have ideas by saying what a human being has told them to.
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#269866 - 05/13/14 02:39 PM Re: Threats on the horizon [Re: quick_joey_small]
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I don't know whether computers will ever become aware, but we are also just a bunch of switches that can be on or off. Sure, we're built of organic matter, but at the end we rely on an electrical system to think. There are computers built from organic matter, by the way. Experimental stuff in development.

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#269867 - 05/13/14 03:21 PM Re: Threats on the horizon [Re: quick_joey_small]
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Originally Posted By: quick_joey_small
I can tell you exactly when computers will get self awareness: never.
They don't have minds. A computer is a lot of switches that can be on or off and that's all they are. Ask any computer bod. They are as able to think, as a big box of light switches is able to become the terminator. Artificial Intelligence doesn't exist. They can only pretend to have ideas by saying what a human being has told them to.


What I haven't figured out is what makes sentience. I know I have a brain (at least allegedly) and my mind is the software that runs on that hardware (see above), but I cannot explain how my cerebral cortex, or some other part or combination of parts of my brain allows sentience to happen.

Computers as they are now do not have minds and even the very best Turing Test-passing AI cannot be said to be sentient. Until we figure out what makes humans sentient it strikes me as being unlikely that we'll be able to create sentient computers.

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#269870 - 05/13/14 05:06 PM Re: Threats on the horizon [Re: benjammin]
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Originally Posted By: benjammin
The prerequisite for mechanized sentience is AI. Hopefully those who develop it will incorporate Asimov's three rules of robotics. If not, we will get skynet.

Is true sentience required to get a Skynet situation? Couldn't a highly sophisticated, machine-learning system crunch the numbers and go through its algorithms and decide that wiping out humanity is the most logical outcome without requiring self-awareness? Was the WOPR in War Games sentient? It learned, but I would be hesitant to say it was sentient.

Actually, the common denominator in all those stories seems to be the ability of said computer system to control our nuclear arsenal and then wipe us out. I was just reading an article a couple weeks ago about the technology in one of our Minutemen III launch silos. The technology is so old down there that they are still transferring data on 8-inch floppy disks! I don't think a sentient software program will be able to sneak into that computer system within the storage capacity of an 8-inch floppy. wink

Edit: Actually, come to think of it, the WOPR almost blew up the world and it didn't even realize that it wasn't playing a game!


Edited by Arney (05/13/14 05:13 PM)

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#269871 - 05/13/14 05:49 PM Re: Threats on the horizon [Re: Bingley]
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Let's ask HAL

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