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#269198 - 04/17/14 10:23 PM Re: Korean ferry sinking [Re: chickenlittle]
Mark_R Offline
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Vada A Bordo Cazzo?

I can understand the "stay in place" instructions if it was just shifted cargo. But, when the flag officers start deserting...


Edited by Mark_R (04/17/14 10:24 PM)
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#269202 - 04/17/14 11:43 PM Re: Korean ferry sinking [Re: Mark_R]
Am_Fear_Liath_Mor Offline
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Registered: 08/03/07
Posts: 3078

Quote:
But, when the flag officers start deserting...


Especially if they have their luggage in tow with them!....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9BFux2AAMso

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#269206 - 04/18/14 01:25 AM Re: Korean ferry sinking [Re: ireckon]
brandtb Offline
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Registered: 11/26/04
Posts: 514
Loc: S.E. Pennsylvania
Originally Posted By: ireckon
The emergency drill instructions were to stay in place. That came from the captain, who got out with some crew members. There have been enough of these ship tragedies to make me regard emergency instructions as optional.


Optional indeed.

In a situation such as this, one must decide whether to 'obey orders' or to say "F*** Y**, Captain, I'm outta here!"
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#269250 - 04/19/14 05:07 PM Re: Korean ferry sinking [Re: chickenlittle]
Arney Offline
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Loc: California
I keep reading that even though there are hundreds of divers on scene, they still have not yet been able to enter the ship even though people still hold out hope for survivors. I'm not sure why they can't get in yet, but if I were a parent of one of those kids, it would be driving me nuts.

In other news, the captain and two crew have just been arrested.

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#269251 - 04/19/14 05:42 PM Re: Korean ferry sinking [Re: Arney]
ireckon Offline
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Loc: Northern California
I'd put on my goggles, jump in the water, and go free diving. As a father, I would rather be dead than watch that ship sink slowly.
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#269276 - 04/20/14 06:02 AM Re: Korean ferry sinking [Re: chickenlittle]
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Terrible situation, and at first blush the actions of the captain look shameful in the extreme. I'm hoping against hope that there will be more survivors found.
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#269360 - 04/22/14 04:26 PM Re: Korean ferry sinking [Re: chickenlittle]
Bingley Offline
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Registered: 02/27/08
Posts: 1580
Somehow it's always the lower-level crew that show courage --

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/south-korea-ferry-crew-had-moments-of-heroism-1.2617525

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#269390 - 04/23/14 04:54 PM Re: Korean ferry sinking [Re: chickenlittle]
Mark_R Offline
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Registered: 05/29/10
Posts: 863
Loc: Southern California
Not to jump to conclusions, but it appears that the ferry was badly overloaded when it capsized.

http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702304518704579518993969767898?mg=reno64-wsj&url=http%3A%2F%2Fonline.wsj.com%2Farticle%2FSB10001424052702304518704579518993969767898.html
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#269395 - 04/23/14 08:50 PM Re: Korean ferry sinking [Re: ireckon]
Arney Offline
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From further descriptions, it sounds like visibility is basically zero underwater in the area. In one article, it mentioned that there is only a brief window when the tides change direction and visibility improves for a short time, measured in minutes.

A small number of divers are able to enter the ship at other times, it seems. Another article mentioned that even inside the ship, visibility is zero and they have to literally search each compartment by touch, like a fire fighter searches a smoke-filled room for victims. Must be very easy to get disoriented or have their air hoses and communications lines tangle up.

So, it sounds like once the ship started taking on water, even a very strong swimmer would have a heck of time trying to find their way out of the interior of the ship under these conditions unless they knew exactly where they wanted to go and could visualize that route with the ship turned on its side or upside down.

It does serve as a reminder of the logic behind the advice when boarding a commercial flight to count the number of seatbacks to the nearest exits.

The same article mentioned that many of the bodies found within the ship have broken fingers, probably from frantic attempts to escape as it took on water. So sad...

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#269398 - 04/23/14 11:20 PM Re: Korean ferry sinking [Re: Arney]
hikermor Offline
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Wreck diving in those wrecks with enclosed overhead spaces is one of the more hazardous scuba specialties, right up there with cave diving. And that is in more settled, relatively stable wrecks. It can only be worse in something like a recently submerged vessel, with all kinds of obstacles. I am not at all surprised that they are going very slowly.
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