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#267949 - 03/08/14 04:30 PM Yellowstone Caldera acting up??
Russ Offline
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Just received an email that indicates the Yellowstone Caldera is getting ready to pop. Since this would be an extinction level event, seems it would be hard to contain the info but it is what it is. Anyone else heard anything or is this just someone pushing this catastrophic possibility yet again.
The email linked to: Supervolcano activity in Yellowstone/

My friend thinks that because we're in SOCAL we should survive the Yellowstone Super-volcano cooking off. We may survive the initial blast, but what do our local earthquake faults do in reaction. I don't know, but medium to long term global winter comes to mind. Global warming? How about a prolonged cooling... Thoughts? Comments? Beating a dead horse?

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#267951 - 03/08/14 04:52 PM Re: Yellowstone Caldera acting up?? [Re: Russ]
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I have real doubts. Especially when the alleged e-mail talks about it "blowing" with comet Ison and solar flares causing "fault lines" to act up. Ison and solar flares have nothing to do with causing fault lines or super-volcanos to act up.

If the alleged e-mail lacks credibility, because it totally lacks any scientific basis, then the whole story falls apart.

IMO, someone made up the e-mail, and tried to make it more "credible" by throwing in that extra stuff, without understanding basic science. Given that a recent survey said that 1 in 4 Americans think the sun revolves around the earth, the lack of scientific knowledge is not surprising.
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#267953 - 03/08/14 05:05 PM Re: Yellowstone Caldera acting up?? [Re: Russ]
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I vote for the dead horse. We are constantly bombarded with The End Of The World Is Nigh! Until it'll be like the boy who cried wolf one too many times. I'm already jaded by doomsday prophecy and say bring on the zombie apocalypse so I can at least see that. From inside an armored vehicle or hard site of course.

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#267954 - 03/08/14 05:25 PM Re: Yellowstone Caldera acting up?? [Re: Russ]
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Can you say "B.S.," which of course stands for "Bad Science..."

You gotta love this stuff, especially if you are deep into conspiracy theories.
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#267955 - 03/08/14 05:36 PM Re: Yellowstone Caldera acting up?? [Re: hikermor]
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So many people are into the conspiracy theories. Every year when my kids were in school they brought home the same old tired printout about how the schools had been warned about LSD in certain types of stickers, and how it had just been brought to their attention.

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#267956 - 03/08/14 05:59 PM Re: Yellowstone Caldera acting up?? [Re: hikermor]
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But but but I read it on the internet, it must be true wink

Knock on wood ... I am not superstitious ...

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#267959 - 03/08/14 06:52 PM Re: Yellowstone Caldera acting up?? [Re: Russ]
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The really great thing about all of this is that, eventually, the doomsayers will more or less be vindicated, and they will be able to say "I told you so..."

When I was a kid, the prevailing notion was that the Yellowstone region was more or less defunct, and the geysers and hot springs were the last whimper of fading volcanic activity. More recent work has shown that there is plenty of volcanic potential.

But when will eruptions, etc. occur? We are not yet able to predict earthquakes and eruptions with any significant precision, although progress is made.

You can check out USGS websites and get a very good idea of the earthquake, etc., potential. It is information gathered with public money and freely available for all.
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#267960 - 03/08/14 07:01 PM Re: Yellowstone Caldera acting up?? [Re: Russ]
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According to USGS, the Caldera is currently condition green, just below the Cascade range condition green. Not much concern over that.

I suppose there might be some science linking solar activity or gravitational shifts affecting seismology. In some remote way, I suppose warping the magnetic field could put some stress on something somewhere, or some object sailing by might add some gravitational stress somehow. But the scale of the effects would be so miniscule, I would have think it'd be akin to me jumping up and down in one spot (I am a pretty big feller). What do you suppose the odds are I could jump up and down beside old faithful and cause the whole thing to fall in? LOL
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#267961 - 03/08/14 07:10 PM Re: Yellowstone Caldera acting up?? [Re: Russ]
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I know bull$h!t when I hear bull$h!t.......and this is bull$h!t. smile

If anyone not into conspiracy theories wants some real data, gathered with public money, and freely available to the public go to Yellowstone Volcano Observatory

EDIT:
Quote:
A Brief FAQ About Recent News Reports February 28, 2014

Recent weeks have seen a flurry of news, real and imagined, about the Yellowstone volcanic system. We present here a brief FAQ about several topics that have appeared in recent news reports.

Has earthquake activity at Yellowstone increased dramatically over the last month?

No. Earthquake activity is normal. When earthquakes occur, they appear on the University of Utah's Yellowstone Earthquake Map, or on the YVO monitoring page. Also see our February 5, 2014 Information Statement about the misinterpretation of noise from a broken seismometer.

Is the recent episode of ground deformation worrisome?

No. Current rates of ground deformation are well within historical norms. Please see our February 18, 2014 Information Statement, for more information about ground deformation at Yellowstone

Do helium emissions at Yellowstone signal an impending eruption?

No. YVO Scientist-in-Charge Jacob Lowenstern and colleagues recently published research on helium (He) emissions at Yellowstone in the journal Nature. The new research looked at apparent changes in the helium output of the Yellowstone area during its two-million-year volcanic history, compared with the previous two billion years of comparative stability. The research has nothing to do with current activity at Yellowstone, and has no implications about volcanic hazards. For a humorous and informative take on the new research, watch this video, or read this news article.


Edited by AKSAR (03/08/14 07:23 PM)
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#267963 - 03/08/14 07:19 PM Re: Yellowstone Caldera acting up?? [Re: AKSAR]
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Russ

omg. Do you think someone on the internet would lie to us? My view of the world is so changed now, my innocence had been ripped away. Lol.

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#267964 - 03/08/14 07:50 PM Re: Yellowstone Caldera acting up?? [Re: AKSAR]
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Thanks AKSAR, I sent that link back in a reply to the email. Amazing how peeps get all worked up.

Back to more pressing matters ...

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#267983 - 03/09/14 07:11 PM Re: Yellowstone Caldera acting up?? [Re: Russ]
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Wired has a guest columnist who is a geologist who addressed these rumors a month ago. He makes the additional point that Yellowstone eruptions, when they do occur, are rarely bigger than MT St. Helens events.

Erik Klemetti's column

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#267985 - 03/09/14 09:27 PM Re: Yellowstone Caldera acting up?? [Re: James_Van_Artsdalen]
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The problem is that no one ever believes the Soothsayer, such as 'Cassandra the Soothsayer' in the Classic 1971 Film 'Up Pompeii', until its too late.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Tc_CGyBvNg

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#268406 - 03/20/14 11:57 PM Re: Yellowstone Caldera acting up?? [Re: Russ]
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Per the "internet", the buffalo are running away from the Yellowstone Caldera. I have yet to see any corrobative statements. They might be feeling frisky and playing also.
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#268407 - 03/21/14 12:30 AM Re: Yellowstone Caldera acting up?? [Re: Am_Fear_Liath_Mor]
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"Cassandra the Soothsayer"? No. "Cassandra the Seismologist"? Yes.
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#268411 - 03/21/14 01:51 AM Re: Yellowstone Caldera acting up?? [Re: wildman800]
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Per the "internet", the buffalo are running away from the Yellowstone Caldera. I have yet to see any corrobative statements. They might be feeling frisky and playing also.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RiexHmbJlp4

That is unusual considering that the buffalo aren't concerned at all about the vehicle taking the video, whilst they are running away from the volcanic vent/gassing event on the ridge they have come down from.


Edited by Am_Fear_Liath_Mor (03/21/14 02:04 AM)

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#268413 - 03/21/14 03:32 AM Re: Yellowstone Caldera acting up?? [Re: Am_Fear_Liath_Mor]
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Bison aren't concerned about vehicles. Especially in National Parks and similar venues, they see them all the time. The typical SUV is barely in their weight class..
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#268438 - 03/21/14 03:53 PM Re: Yellowstone Caldera acting up?? [Re: hikermor]
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I refuse to be buffaloed into worrying about an eruption.
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#268446 - 03/21/14 06:01 PM Re: Yellowstone Caldera acting up?? [Re: Russ]
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My POV is that if I have no ability to control, influence, or mitigate the outcome, then I won't waste my energy worrying about it. Life is too short.

As a PREPPER, I'm able to mitigate the personal effects that most man or natural made incidents can have on me and my family. I leave everything else in God 's hands to have us where we are supposed to be at that time.
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#268448 - 03/21/14 06:45 PM Re: Yellowstone Caldera acting up?? [Re: wildman800]
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The Yellowstone Caldera seems to be a very hot topic these days on ETS. smile

The Wired article Future Eruptions at Yellowstone Caldera gives a nice ballpark estimate of the the most likely scenarios at Yellowstone.

Quote:
Just because Yellowstone has produced three very large eruptions over the last 2.2 million years doesn’t mean that you should expect such an eruption. The caldera system has had plenty of smaller, dome-forming or explosive eruptions in the intervening years (and since the last caldera-forming eruption; see above), so in terms of the likeliest events, that is what to expect. In the paper by Guillaume Girard and John Stix in GSA Today, they suggest that the likeliest events to happen at Yellowstone in the near future are small, dome-forming eruptions or phreato-magmatic (water-influenced) explosions that follow pre-existing faults in the caldera, especially along the western rim. In fact, another study by Christiansen and others (2007) showed that probabilistically, another caldera-forming eruption is the least likely scenario for future activity at Yellowstone.

Certainly even a small eruption would no doubt cause an explosion of interest on the internet, put the heat on the Park Service, and rock the buffalo's world. However the possibility of a major caldera scale event it isn't something I lose a great deal of sleep over.
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#268451 - 03/21/14 07:16 PM Re: Yellowstone Caldera acting up?? [Re: Russ]
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Originally Posted By: Russ
Just received an email that indicates the Yellowstone Caldera is getting ready to pop. Since this would be an extinction level event, seems it would be hard to contain the info but it is what it is. Anyone else heard anything or is this just someone pushing this catastrophic possibility yet again.
The email linked to: Supervolcano activity in Yellowstone/

My friend thinks that because we're in SOCAL we should survive the Yellowstone Super-volcano cooking off. We may survive the initial blast, but what do our local earthquake faults do in reaction. I don't know, but medium to long term global winter comes to mind. Global warming? How about a prolonged cooling... Thoughts? Comments? Beating a dead horse?


I'd take that source with a boat load of salt. If the whole calderra went up, yes it would be very very serious with worldwide effects but E.L.E. is borderline mass hysteria! The volcano blew up before and guess what, much less of a die off than 65M years ago when Mexico was pummelled by a meteor. Secondly, the whole calderra doesn't alway blow. There have been many documented mini-blows and lava flows that are a lot more common than the big one. The number of small quakes is an indicator of activity. They had a flurry of small quakes in the caldera a few years ago and then quiet since then. You can go to the website and check into the monitoring activities yourself. If the underlying lava pool did burst you would see higher quake activity and a growing measuable lift to the caldera. The only relevant thing that has happened since that burst of activity a few years ago is that they have mapped the volume of the lava bubble more accurately and it appears to be much larger than first calculated.

Everything else - is just tabloid fodder.

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#268452 - 03/21/14 07:19 PM Re: Yellowstone Caldera acting up?? [Re: wildman800]
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Originally Posted By: wildman800
My POV is that if I have no ability to control, influence, or mitigate the outcome, then I won't waste my energy worrying about it. Life is too short.

As a PREPPER, I'm able to mitigate the personal effects that most man or natural made incidents can have on me and my family. I leave everything else in God 's hands to have us where we are supposed to be at that time.


Spoken like someone with a decent head on their shoulders. I like your attitude.

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#268470 - 03/22/14 01:56 AM Re: Yellowstone Caldera acting up?? [Re: wildman800]
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Originally Posted By: wildman800
.... snip> They might be feeling frisky and playing also.


It is Spring, when a young buffalo's fancy turns to ....

grin
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#268480 - 03/22/14 04:44 PM Re: Yellowstone Caldera acting up?? [Re: buckeye]
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This is a real eye opening thread,not so much because it alerts anyone to a likely hazard, but because it shows just how much silliness and raw misinformation, unintentioned or otherwise, exist today. Following some of the lined threads is mind blowing.

I think Wildman has the right attitude toward this stuff.
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