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#267424 - 02/17/14 05:58 PM Cody Lundin fired from Dual Survival
duckear Offline
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on his FB page

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Cody-Lundin-Aboriginal-Living-Skills-School-LLC/124508247561387



Dual Survival Update

Dear Campers,
Unfortunately, I have been fired by Discovery Channel for differences over safety and health concerns on the show and will no longer be a part of Dual Survival.

Although I’ll miss elements of the show, what I’ll miss the most are my fans and the opportunity to teach - on a global level – life saving skills, indigenous culture, and values of integrity and respect toward our natural world.

I have received numerous letters from viewers. Many are from kids, or their parents or grandparents, describing in detail how the show has changed their lives. It has brought families together, inspired kids to go outdoors, and motivated moms and dads around the world to take that family camping trip, many for the first time. If I can use a TV show to encourage people to turn off TV and turn on nature, I have done my job.

Thank you all very much for your support over the years. Be safe and prepared, and maybe I’ll train with you in the woods some day!

Stay classy,
Cody Lundin


Edited by duckear (02/17/14 05:59 PM)

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#267425 - 02/17/14 06:00 PM Re: Cody Lundin fired from Dual Survival [Re: duckear]
duckear Offline
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gonna miss him

DS is done.

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#267426 - 02/17/14 07:09 PM Re: Cody Lundin fired from Dual Survival [Re: duckear]
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I'd stopped watching some time ago -- whatever you think of Dave Canterbury, I could watch Dual Survival when he was on it, and when he left the show it wasn't any fun to watch for me.

I hold Mr. Lundin in the highest respect (except, perhaps, for his choice in footwear) and I hope that he gets another TV gig. I'd love to know what the health and safety disagreement was.

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#267427 - 02/17/14 07:24 PM Re: Cody Lundin fired from Dual Survival [Re: chaosmagnet]
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Dang it! One of the few shows I liked. I survived the Dave-to-Joe transition. I like both Dave and Joe equally. Don't know if I can survive the Cody-to-whomever transition. Cody was definitely the rock of the show IMHO, the others are OK, but if I had to survive somewhere it would be Cody that I'd want on my team. Hands down.

According to Wiki, season 4 has 20 episodes and was scheduled for broadcast starting in June 2014. Does anybody know if these episodes (assumedly with Cody) are already in the can and ready for broadcast?

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#267428 - 02/17/14 07:56 PM Re: Cody Lundin fired from Dual Survival [Re: chaosmagnet]
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I'd love to know what the health and safety disagreement was.


i) How to get a free Walrus meal after scaring off a Polar Bear after its dispatched said Walrus.

ii) Repelling from a towering inferno using Ethernet cable.

iii) How to keep warm in winter by snuggling up to a Grizzly bear.

iV) How to cross a volcanic lava field in yer bare feet.

v) How to traverse a mountain by going through its underground cave system.

vi) How to build a cholera bed using a spare bucket and an IV.

etc etc... shocked

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#267429 - 02/17/14 08:25 PM Re: Cody Lundin fired from Dual Survival [Re: Am_Fear_Liath_Mor]
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They already did all that on the Bear Grylls show. They need to come up with some new material.

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#267430 - 02/17/14 08:43 PM Re: Cody Lundin fired from Dual Survival [Re: duckear]
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I'd watch it for Cody.

Dave was an idiot, confirmed after the cautery incident. Coupled with the fact he lied about his military exploits - sorry, thank you for playing, come again.

Joe was way too much of a paranoid, set up a perimeter, fire the foo gas if they breach the wire personality for me. I respect what he has done, but there is going too far sometimes.

Won't miss it too much. I'd only catch reruns if nothing else was on and no concerted efforts were made to do even that.


Edited by JBMat (02/17/14 08:43 PM)
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#267432 - 02/17/14 08:52 PM Re: Cody Lundin fired from Dual Survival [Re: duckear]
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Too bad; he was the only reason to watch the show. Despite the barefoot stuff, IMO he was always the voice of reason and caution; e.g. don't make the situation worse by taking unnecessary chances.

But I still have a problem with the whole idea of the show, and one point in particular: in every show, both have a knife. There is never any comment about it--it is just a "given." But if they could always have a knife, why never did either of them have a reliable fire starter? Even a dollar store bic knock-off, much less a fire steel? Making fire seemed to be a key "drama" element.

In reality, it takes some training and practice to start a fire, especially by using primitive methods ("rubbing two sticks of wood together), and even if you know what you are doing, it isn't always as easy as it seems. I remember one episode of Survivorman where Les Stroud worked the better part of a whole day to get a fire going. I'd like to see more emphasis on laying the fire and keeping it going...

I fear that the casual watcher underestimates the difficulty of primitive fire starting methods.

If these guys can carry modern knives, they can carry modern fire starting tools--firesteel, lighters, etc... it might actually influence some people do to something simple to help themselves and save lives because someone stuck a bic or firesteel in their pocket. . .because they saw it on TV.

Sorry for the rant guys. . .
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#267434 - 02/17/14 09:53 PM Re: Cody Lundin fired from Dual Survival [Re: bws48]
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In reality, it takes some training and practice to start a fire, especially by using primitive methods ("rubbing two sticks of wood together), and even if you know what you are doing, it isn't always as easy as it seems. I remember one episode of Survivorman where Les Stroud worked the better part of a whole day to get a fire going. I'd like to see more emphasis on laying the fire and keeping it going...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4im0BUkTQdo

Its the old adage, the more you need a fire, the more difficult it is to get. Last week I built a beach fire to keep warm for the days fishing. Sometimes you even have to take some plastic wrapped Commercial dry kindling wood with you to get the fire to take to get the soaked through beach wood to take, let alone matches, lighter etc.



The big log buried in the stand made for a useful wind break and fire base in the hurricane force winds and cold rain in temperatures just above freezing i.e. 3-4 degrees Celsius) that affected the UK last Wednesday. Eventually the fire became substantial enough to start burning soaking wet 5-7 inch wide logs, which were found later along the beach after dragging them back down the beach on an improvised sledge made from a broken creel found washed up on the beach.

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#267435 - 02/17/14 10:13 PM Re: Cody Lundin fired from Dual Survival [Re: Am_Fear_Liath_Mor]
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The show will not be missed. Good point about carrying decent fire making materials. A complete and comprehensive kit would weigh all of about four ounces.
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#267439 - 02/17/14 11:04 PM Re: Cody Lundin fired from Dual Survival [Re: Am_Fear_Liath_Mor]
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" Last week I built a beach fire to keep warm for the days fishing. Sometimes you even have to take some plastic wrapped Commercial dry kindling wood with you to get the fire to take to get the soaked through beach wood to take, let alone matches, lighter etc."

Styrofoam flotsam chunks make great kindling (don't breath it) in an emergency.

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#267440 - 02/17/14 11:39 PM Re: Cody Lundin fired from Dual Survival [Re: clearwater]
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Styrofoam flotsam chunks make great kindling (don't breath it) in an emergency.


We don't get much Styrofoam flotsam getting washed up in these parts, in fact I don't think I've seen any of any size worth burning. We do get more organic material such as dead seals, dead whales and more recently the occasional dead folks (jumpers from the Tay Road Bridge getting washed out of estuary) etc.


Edited by Am_Fear_Liath_Mor (02/17/14 11:40 PM)

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#267442 - 02/18/14 12:24 AM Re: Cody Lundin fired from Dual Survival [Re: duckear]
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It's like the British General said to the American General during the European Campaign, "My, you Americans leave such messy battlefields."

If you recall, when stopped along waterways, I often post what useful items I can see near my position. There is always useful trash along southern canals and rivers but very, very little to be seen along the northern rivers. Then again, the rivers do flow from north to south.
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#267443 - 02/18/14 12:38 AM Re: Cody Lundin fired from Dual Survival [Re: Am_Fear_Liath_Mor]
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Interesting. I built a fine signal fire along the Pacific shore in the rain in January in the Olympic National rain forest. Huge chunks of styrofoam were everywhere. Being in the middle of a wilderness area, they must have traveled there from far away. We get radioactive stuff on the beaches of Washington from Japan. I guess I haven't been to a ocean beach that didn't have lots of foam and other trash. Even found an old ammo can with with 30-06 ammo in it on the California coast. It was not usable. The brass and bullets were completely green.


Edited by clearwater (02/18/14 12:39 AM)

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#267444 - 02/18/14 12:41 AM Re: Cody Lundin fired from Dual Survival [Re: duckear]
boatman Offline
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It seems to me that Cody stood by his principles.I could picture the scene."Cody, we want you and Joe to do this really stupid, dangerous and needless thing/stunt." Then Cody's reply would be,"No #*%@% way".The producers would say do it or yer fired.Cody's reply "well I'm fired"....
JMHO

I respect Cody

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#267445 - 02/18/14 03:16 AM Re: Cody Lundin fired from Dual Survival [Re: clearwater]
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http://www.flickr.com/photos/ecologywa/8142290039/in/set-72157630409598334

I see what you mean. frown

Thank fully the beaches such as Lunan Bay near where I sometimes do my sea fishing are reasonably clean and free of such plastic pollution.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WBm4D6RcaAs

I've been hearing about some bad news about the Pacific Ocean recently, such as dying seals due to radiation in Alaska (Fukishima Catastrophe Fallout?) and I have even heard that Pacific Mackerel have become almost impossible to find. I don't know how true this is though but considering the Midway plastic pollution disaster it may have some credibility. frown

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1SO89Bj2Fvc



Edited by Am_Fear_Liath_Mor (02/18/14 03:31 AM)

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#267446 - 02/18/14 03:33 AM Re: Cody Lundin fired from Dual Survival [Re: Am_Fear_Liath_Mor]
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A quick recall of the north Pacific currents indicates all that Styrofoam coming into Willipa bay is coming from where exactly?

Radiation killing seals in Alaska? So far none of the detectors along the coast are picking up any noticeable increases.

As we surmised previously, the rate of propogational dissipation of the radioactive plume puts the level of radiation about down to the background level within about 200 miles of the Japanese coast.

I haven't seen any studies of fish along the Pacific coast of North America showing signs of radioactive contamination beyond ambient levels.

I wonder where all the garbage at Midway came from? Do you reckon they are showing that commercial in Japan, Indonesia, China, etc?
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#267448 - 02/18/14 04:32 AM Re: Cody Lundin fired from Dual Survival [Re: benjammin]
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A quick recall of the north Pacific currents indicates all that Styrofoam coming into Willipa bay is coming from where exactly?

http://www.flickr.com/photos/ecologywa/8316398784/in/set-72157630409598334/lightbox/

A floating dock made from Styrofoam was also found (it was in the same photostream), presumably from the Japanese Tsunami considering the debris in the other photographs.

This chunk of debris made its way across the pacific ocean. Yes I would have checked this large chunk of debris for nuclear fall out as nuclear fallout can be chemically reactive as well as for checking invasive species clinging to it.

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Radiation killing seals in Alaska?

I wouldn't rule it out.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-...gists-warn.html

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I wonder where all the garbage at Midway came from? Do you reckon they are showing that commercial in Japan, Indonesia, China, etc?

Probably but considering the amount, some say up to 7 million tons (equivalent to the mass of 70 Nimitz-class aircraft carriers) of plastic waste covering the area of double the size of Texas swirling around in the middle of the Pacific Ocean, someone is definitely responsible. For such amount to be estimated, someone has probably been deliberately dumping plastic waste into the Pacific Ocean over the years. This was even before the recent Japanese Tsunami.

For another part of the world of such tremendous natural wilderness and for folks who are proud of the beauty of their surroundings having to suffer such industrial pollution is unjust to say the least.


Edited by Am_Fear_Liath_Mor (02/18/14 04:35 AM)

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#267454 - 02/18/14 08:53 AM Re: Cody Lundin fired from Dual Survival [Re: Am_Fear_Liath_Mor]
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Originally Posted By: Am_Fear_Liath_Mor
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Radiation killing seals in Alaska?
I wouldn't rule it out.

I would rule it out, at least at present. See for example Buesseler, K.O. 2014. Fukushima and ocean radioactivity. Oceanography 27(1):92–105. From the abstract of that article:
Quote:
Total releases from Fukushima are not well constrained, with estimates from atmospheric fallout and direct ocean discharge spanning 4 to 90 peta Becquerels (PBq), but are most likely in the 15–30 PBq range. This source is smaller than any 137Cs remaining in the North Pacific from global and close-in fallout from the 1960s. It is of similar magnitude to 137Cs released to the ocean from the Sellafield nuclear reprocessing site on the Irish Sea, though of greater magnitude than fallout that reached the ocean from the 1986 Chernobyl nuclear power plant disaster in the Ukraine.

AFLM, if I were you I would be more concerned with marine life in your neighborhood being effected by things closer to home, such as Sellafield. How are the seals doing in your part of the world?

Note that I am not trying to minimize the significance of the ongoing Fukushima radioactive release. Releasing radioactivity into the environment is bad, no matter how it happens. However I haven't seen any convincing case that radiation is the issue with Alaska seals. We (the world-wide collective "we") are doing lots of bad sh*t to the oceans, like warming, acidification, etc etc. Recent work suggests that reduction of the polar ice pack has allowed previously separated popultions to mix, and share diseases. See Disappearing Arctic sea ice may be helping spread diseases among mammals. This article refers mostly to populations in Nova Scotia, but it is entirely plausible that similar things are happening to Alaskan sea mammals.


Edited by AKSAR (02/18/14 09:04 AM)
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#267458 - 02/18/14 10:09 AM Re: Cody Lundin fired from Dual Survival [Re: duckear]
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I've been a fan of Cody Lundin for almost 20 years. Safe to say I will never watch DS again. Really it's time for it to die anyways- it's pure reality crap now. That's probably why he got fired, for deciding not to go along with the farce any longer.
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#267460 - 02/18/14 12:53 PM Re: Cody Lundin fired from Dual Survival [Re: AKSAR]
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Just for the record, I observed a seal on our harbor buoy last Friday. He (or she) was fine.

More seriously, flotsam from Japan is nothing new. I have picked up lots of glass fishing net floats along the windward shores of the Channel Islands, items that had to originate in Japan. They have been replaced by black plastic floats, also from Japan, judging from the Kanji characters embossed on them. It's the counter clockwise circulation in the Northern Pacific.

As for all the plastic in mid-ocean, I am reminded of the words in Pogo - "We have met the enemy, and he is us" - all of us.


Edited by hikermor (02/18/14 12:56 PM)
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#267475 - 02/18/14 10:10 PM Re: Cody Lundin fired from Dual Survival [Re: duckear]
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"How to get a free Walrus meal after scaring off a Polar Bear after its dispatched said Walrus"
Is this considered a health issue, a safety issue, or a sanity issue?
"How to keep warm in winter by snuggling up to a Grizzly bear"
This only keeps you warm for 24 hours, then you exit the bear's alimentary canal.

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#267484 - 02/19/14 05:31 AM Re: Cody Lundin fired from Dual Survival [Re: duckear]
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Can't say that I'm a fan of any of them. Or Bear Grylls. The only thing 've seen Lundin in was a short vid where he made some sort of heated shelter with plastic or a tarp. The whole barefoot and in shorts in the mountains during winter kind of made me leery of him.

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