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#266406 - 01/06/14 01:01 AM Re: the shunned waist/fanny pack [Re: Phaedrus]
2005RedTJ Addict Registered: 01/07/09 Posts: 475 Loc: Birmingham, Alabama	Originally Posted By: Phaedrus Both are good, but I rarely use my Runners KB after getting the Original. It's got more room but if you don't stuff it it's not really bulky. And I've found that I can actually draw about as fast from the KB as I can from IWB (faster if I'm wearing a T-shirt over the gun). They also sell pack lifters used to integrate it onto a backpack. I've never tried them but reportedly they work well. I've found the KB to work and play well with a regular backpack. I think the Original KB is the way to go if you plan to use it as a pack without a firearm. You can fit more in it for sure. But both are good. At one point I thought I might add a Snubbie to the mix but really there's no good reason to since the larger ones are very comfortable. But if they ever do another run in Black I'll be getting one. Got the Original Kit Bag in coyote on Thursday. Put 8.8 miles on it today with a 38-pound ruck on. I friggin' love the thing. Best piece of gear I've bought in a while.
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#266411 - 01/06/14 07:03 AM Re: the shunned waist/fanny pack [Re: TeacherRO]
Phaedrus Carpal Tunnel Registered: 04/28/10 Posts: 3164 Loc: Big Sky Country	Awesome! I'm really in love with HPG and will probably get a pack from them eventually. The Original Kit Bag is great, and I use mine a lot. I agree, one of the best pieces of gear I have. _________________________ “I'd rather have questions that cannot be answered than answers that can't be questioned.” —Richard Feynman
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#266429 - 01/06/14 07:12 PM Re: the shunned waist/fanny pack [Re: TeacherRO]
JerryFountain Addict Registered: 12/06/07 Posts: 418 Loc: St. Petersburg, Florida	I am concerned that both the youtube video and the website for the HPG show the shooter sweeping himself on every draw. It would be really easy for someone quick on the trigger and slow on the draw to shoot themselves. RULE ONE - Never point a firearm at anything you are not willing to destroy! (At least my rule one) Respectfully, Jerry
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#266434 - 01/06/14 09:44 PM Re: the shunned waist/fanny pack [Re: TeacherRO]
Phaedrus Carpal Tunnel Registered: 04/28/10 Posts: 3164 Loc: Big Sky Country	I don't sweep myself on the draw but I'd say 85% of all shooters I've seen do so at some point in their draw no matter how they carry. Scary! _________________________ “I'd rather have questions that cannot be answered than answers that can't be questioned.” —Richard Feynman
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#266442 - 01/07/14 03:17 PM Re: the shunned waist/fanny pack [Re: Phaedrus]
chaosmagnet Sheriff Carpal Tunnel Registered: 12/03/09 Posts: 3842 Loc: USA	Originally Posted By: Phaedrus I don't sweep myself on the draw but I'd say 85% of all shooters I've seen do so at some point in their draw no matter how they carry. Scary! My students don't :-).
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#266452 - 01/07/14 07:06 PM Re: the shunned waist/fanny pack [Re: TeacherRO]
gonewiththewind Veteran Registered: 10/14/08 Posts: 1517	In all of the shooting schools and training I have done I have never learned a draw that made me sweep myself. I think some people are learning the wrong way.
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#266453 - 01/07/14 08:42 PM Re: the shunned waist/fanny pack [Re: TeacherRO]
Phaedrus Carpal Tunnel Registered: 04/28/10 Posts: 3164 Loc: Big Sky Country	Most people aren't trained. _________________________ “I'd rather have questions that cannot be answered than answers that can't be questioned.” —Richard Feynman
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#266456 - 01/07/14 09:53 PM Re: the shunned waist/fanny pack [Re: Phaedrus]
Russ Geezer Registered: 06/02/06 Posts: 5357 Loc: SOCAL	When I carry I use a strong (right) side kydex holster with a G19. What are people typically doing that causes them to sweep themselves? Are we talking legs/feet or other body parts? Just curious. I did some practice draws and don't see an issue, but then I've always been big on muzzle discipline. TIA
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#266462 - 01/08/14 06:11 AM Re: the shunned waist/fanny pack [Re: TeacherRO]
Phaedrus Carpal Tunnel Registered: 04/28/10 Posts: 3164 Loc: Big Sky Country	I see a lot of people drawing up and out, pointing the muzzle into their hip. Far worse is when people holster- very often they stuck the gun into their hip and wedge it into the holster! Not good. At any rate, with the chest rig I unzip the pack with my left, get a firing grip on the sidearm (finger outside the trigger guard along the frame/slide of the gun) and pull back, up, and out while rotating the the gun forward (kind of like backing out of a parking space). This way you never cover yourself with the muzzle. _________________________ “I'd rather have questions that cannot be answered than answers that can't be questioned.” —Richard Feynman
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#266469 - 01/08/14 04:00 PM Re: the shunned waist/fanny pack [Re: TeacherRO]
JerryFountain Addict Registered: 12/06/07 Posts: 418 Loc: St. Petersburg, Florida	Phaedrus, The problem with the chest rig is that if you do not move the left arm back parallel with and along the left side, or up high, the manouver as you describe will sweep the left arm. You may be doing it, but none of the videos or pictures are. The sweep the left arm every time. You must move the arm or lower the muzzle until the weapon is pointed forward. I think the latter is best, just like the crossdraw, because it will not sweep your companion or others to your left. Respectfully, Jerry
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