M9KEY, your post is most appropriate. I moved it to the campfire. Sometimes posts are hard to judge, and I've moved a few over to the survival forum. I try to think what new guests want to see. We started to get some heated comments, so I had to do the Clint Eastwood razorblade eye look routine. - - The Campfire is a bit more relaxed. People just need to imagine it's a bar in Oakland California, and the elderly japanese man wanting to use the men's room turns out to be a injitsu grand national champion. ( I was there, though half a Liberian crewed merchant mariner left through the windows abruptly <img src="images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" />)