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#265421 - 11/29/13 07:22 PM Re: Building a cost effective BOB [Re: Am_Fear_Liath_Mor]
Am_Fear_Liath_Mor Offline
Carpal Tunnel

Registered: 08/03/07
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Bargain Bug Out Boots and Socks etc;

I was able to get some Karrimor KSB II EVENT Trekking/Walking Boots for around £40 ($65) These appear to well made, Vibram Soles with Waterproof EVENT lining. RRP was £99.

http://www.fieldandtrek.com/karrimor-ksb-350-mens-walking-boots-182064

Heavy Duty Trekking Socks were also a bargain with some Karrimor Protek Elite socks at £4.50 a pair

http://www.fieldandtrek.com/karrimor-1-pack-pro-trek-walking-socks-mens-414148

Some Berghaus Yeti Gaiters are on the cards with the money saved, but the price will have to be right! grin

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#265422 - 11/29/13 07:39 PM Re: Building a cost effective BOB [Re: Am_Fear_Liath_Mor]
gonewiththewind Offline
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Registered: 10/14/08
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I have those Berghaus gaiters for Scarpa boots and they are great. They were actually built for the boot, and they form such a tight seal that I can stand in water up to the top of the gaiter and there are no leaks.

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#265462 - 12/03/13 02:37 AM Re: Building a cost effective BOB [Re: gonewiththewind]
Am_Fear_Liath_Mor Offline
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The Berghaus Yeti's are pretty specialist but they are great for snow use and extremely muddy conditions. They are however, quite expensive, I ended up with the British Army DPM versions for 1/6 the price.

http://www.militarymart.co.uk/index.php?_a=product&product_id=1906

It pays to shop around!

Even today I was in my local Outdoor equipment specialist shop. I came across a £25 North Face Base Camp Travel Canister bag.

http://www.thenorthface.co.uk/tnf-uk-en/base-camp-travel-canister/p52330.html

(essentially a Toiletries bag), which was interesting because I had purchased an identical bag (without the TNF Branding) a few days ago for the BOB project.

http://www.fieldandtrek.com/karrimor-wash-bag-784006

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#265472 - 12/03/13 08:51 PM Re: Building a cost effective BOB [Re: Am_Fear_Liath_Mor]
MDinana Offline
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Registered: 03/08/07
Posts: 2208
Loc: Beer&Cheese country
This doesn't sound like a BOB; it sounds like a camping kit.

BOB is literally that - get the hell out of Dodge (OK, probably lost you on that phrase) and someplace safe - you typically sacrifice comfort for speed. It's not for sipping cups of tea whilst doodling in a sketch book and communing with nature.

Think of it more like: change of underwear, sleeping bag or blanket, a few ways to make fire and purify water, and some food.

"Bugging out" without a place to go isn't bugging out, it's becoming a refugee.

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#265477 - 12/03/13 11:04 PM Re: Building a cost effective BOB [Re: MDinana]
Am_Fear_Liath_Mor Offline
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Registered: 08/03/07
Posts: 3078

Quote:
It's not for sipping cups of tea whilst doodling in a sketch book and communing with nature.


A lot depends on the terrain and the weather. I might need to walk over Jocks Road in April on a sunny day to get to where I need to get to when bugging out.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cw0O_P3l4Bk

It has also even been known for local villages a few miles away in the Sidlaw hills to be cut off for a week or two at a time during winter snow storms. It also starts getting dark during the winter months around 15:30 and begins to get light again 08:30 in the morning.

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#265478 - 12/03/13 11:34 PM Re: Building a cost effective BOB [Re: Am_Fear_Liath_Mor]
Alex Offline
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Registered: 03/01/07
Posts: 1034
Loc: -
The BOB should definitely follow your bug out plan. I'm in the urban environment mostly prone to earthquake, chemical spill, and civil unrest events. So the content of my BOB is to help me safely travel out of the city in any of these events probably to another city or to the provided shelter camp. And then just live there for a while. It's more like a vacation on a budget, than camping in the woods for me.

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#265484 - 12/04/13 08:15 AM Re: Building a cost effective BOB [Re: MDinana]
Mark_M Offline
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Registered: 11/19/09
Posts: 295
Loc: New Jersey
Originally Posted By: MDinana
"Bugging out" without a place to go isn't bugging out, it's becoming a refugee.


Agreed. But depending on where you live, perhaps camping gear needs to be a part of some people's BoB.

My BoB consists of clothing, cash, documents, medication for me to stay in relative comfort for up to 7 days once I reach safe shelter. There are very few survival items, because it is not a survival kit per se. I do have some minimal food, shelter and water if I get caught outdoors for a night or two trying to reach shelter. In fact I use my BoB practically anytime I travel, just adding or subtracting some items appropriate to the intended activities. After all, a disaster is no less likely to occur when I'm on vacation than home, so why go unprepared?

On the other hand, the GHB in my vehicle is intended specifically to be able to survive outdoors for at least three days, possibly more if the food is stretched or supplemented. This is based on the time, distance and terrain involved in getting home or to my nearest alternate safe location from my office.
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#265487 - 12/04/13 02:26 PM Re: Building a cost effective BOB [Re: Mark_M]
MDinana Offline
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Registered: 03/08/07
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Loc: Beer&Cheese country
Originally Posted By: Mark_M
Originally Posted By: MDinana
"Bugging out" without a place to go isn't bugging out, it's becoming a refugee.


Agreed. But depending on where you live, perhaps camping gear needs to be a part of some people's BoB.


Overall I agree, but I tend to think too many people have the "head to the woods!" mentality ,and will soon realize that it'll be a tent-city. Looking at the OP's list, it seems he's gearing it towards this. IIRC, AFLM lives in the UK, which can be really variable in population density.

In what situation is he planning to bug out?

That's the million-quid question. In most situations it doesn't make sense to leave a structure with a lot of supplies, to go live in the woods with few supplies. If some unspecified event is so catastrophic that his friend's house is uninhabitable, either A) he can go to a hotel, or B) he's going to have a lot of company from other people leaving their devastated houses.

In and of itself the list of supplies looks fine. Like I said though, it doesn't strike me as a BOB, it strikes me as "I'm going camping with the Boy Scouts for a week" type of bag.

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#265488 - 12/04/13 05:22 PM Re: Building a cost effective BOB [Re: Am_Fear_Liath_Mor]
gonewiththewind Offline
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Registered: 10/14/08
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That is always the big question, what the situation will be and where will you plan to go, along with what contingencies are possible. Without knowing this first your BOB will weigh much more than you can carry as you prepare for every possibility.

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#265489 - 12/04/13 05:47 PM Re: Building a cost effective BOB [Re: Am_Fear_Liath_Mor]
JBMat Offline
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Registered: 03/03/09
Posts: 745
Loc: NC
I figure my BoB will be ready for both a simple go to a hotel and/or go live in the weeds for a bit. If I have it and don't need it, cache. If I need it and don't have it, rats!!

If I'm mobile, as in one of the trucks, who cares how much it weighs? If we have to hoof it, things come out to lighten the loads.

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