#264687 - 10/29/13 11:31 PM
Re: access water from your water heater
[Re: LesSnyder]
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Pooh-Bah
Registered: 07/11/10
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Loc: New Port Richey, Fla
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Unimogbert... I made my hot water drain hose by chopping off the end of the garden hose, and adding a repair kit for the coupling...the location of the drain on the water heater makes it difficult to connect the hose in a direct line...the washing machine supply hose has a built in 90, which makes the installation in my situation much easier... I was just passing on an observation that there was a premade solution to my problem...I know everyone's situation is different... I was just offering a suggestion...
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#264688 - 10/30/13 02:02 AM
Re: access water from your water heater
[Re: LesSnyder]
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Registered: 08/10/06
Posts: 882
Loc: Colorado
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Les- if the drain valve is hard to get to, did you figure out how to operate it? Where are you running the hose section to? (is that location higher or lower than the drain?)
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#264689 - 10/30/13 03:19 AM
Re: access water from your water heater
[Re: LesSnyder]
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Pooh-Bah
Registered: 07/11/10
Posts: 1680
Loc: New Port Richey, Fla
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the drain has a hand valve on the tank, and all I need to do is attach a hose... my house is an old frame structure 2' off the ground on pilings... the hose was originally made to flush the sand from the bottom of the tank, and drain out the door, which is a short distance, so I have the ability to completely drain the tank if necessary... the tank holds 50 gallons, so there should be a usable volume of water above the level of the valve even if I could not drain it completely ...I have stored water and an on site shallow well and filtering capacity...I don't ever perceive a need to use the heater as a source, but just wanted to throw out the idea incase anyone else might not have thought of it...regards
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#264691 - 10/30/13 03:39 AM
Re: access water from your water heater
[Re: unimogbert]
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Registered: 10/19/06
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Loc: Pacific NW, USA
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[quote=Lono]
I wouldn't give my old hoses away because some folks would just think of them as 'like-new' and would install them and blame me when the hoses failed later. Maybe so - but I'm the #1 maintainer of my mom's and sister's water supplies, so for instance I know to buy new hoses in 2015 for their washer. Giving them my old hoses is only meant to address sudden leaks or a 3am gusher. they'll hold for a few days until I stop by and get them new hoses. I'm not figuring to draw water from my heater but you never know - I have over 360 gallons stored in 3 places around my home and property, if I need water from the heater at least I know it will have been recently flushed. Cedar River watershed water is notorious for its lack of sediment though.
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#264695 - 10/30/13 01:12 PM
Re: access water from your water heater
[Re: LesSnyder]
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Registered: 08/10/06
Posts: 882
Loc: Colorado
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the drain has a hand valve on the tank, and all I need to do is attach a hose... my house is an old frame structure 2' off the ground on pilings... the hose was originally made to flush the sand from the bottom of the tank, and drain out the door, which is a short distance, so I have the ability to completely drain the tank if necessary... the tank holds 50 gallons, so there should be a usable volume of water above the level of the valve even if I could not drain it completely ...I have stored water and an on site shallow well and filtering capacity...I don't ever perceive a need to use the heater as a source, but just wanted to throw out the idea incase anyone else might not have thought of it...regards I'm still lost but maybe I'm starting to fill in the missing pieces. (Sorry, I'm an Engineer. I have to go step by step or I get lost.) You say you can't access the valve in the first post. But then you say you can drain the tank using a washer hose in the next two posts. From this I infer that you can't put a hose straight on to the fitting because of tight clearance between the valve and the washing machine so a 90 degree bend connector solves the clearance problem and there's enough access to do that and there's enough access to operate the valve. The point of the thread was to inform others that there are options in washing machine hoses that can be used for water heater drain hoses? Am I getting close?
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#264698 - 10/30/13 03:09 PM
Re: access water from your water heater
[Re: LesSnyder]
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Pooh-Bah
Registered: 07/11/10
Posts: 1680
Loc: New Port Richey, Fla
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exactly correct.... I am concrete sequential also...
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#264974 - 11/10/13 02:49 PM
Re: access water from your water heater
[Re: LesSnyder]
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Registered: 05/23/08
Posts: 487
Loc: Somerset UK
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These posts could be a reason to retain a conventional hot water tank since this is a potential emergency source of water.
An alternative sometimes proposed is an on demand water heater, these have their merits but have the decided drawback that they are not a standby store of water.
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#265003 - 11/12/13 12:00 AM
Re: access water from your water heater
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Registered: 11/09/06
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Loc: wellington, fl
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These posts could be a reason to retain a conventional hot water tank since this is a potential emergency source of water.
An alternative sometimes proposed is an on demand water heater, these have their merits but have the decided drawback that they are not a standby store of water. My friend, a plumber, tells people to put them in...only when they're doing total remodel or new construction where the unit can be installed as close as possible to the bathroom or dishwasher. They tend to lose more than the average ten degrees to tap that stand alone conventional tank heaters are known for. I looked at a few houses when I was looking for a place to live, that had them. All of them had a pressure control valve that slowed the water pressure down long enough to make it get heated. Where my house is at right now I COULD probably put in a On Demand unit. It's under the stairs, on an exterior wall. Problem is I doubt the city is going to plumb gas to just one customer. And having a nice cache of water in a tank in your house at all times is a plus for me. So I might leave it be. The argument for on demand heaters is, IIRC, that no energy is wasted keeping 40 gallons of water hot during the 23 hours and 45 minutes per day that it is not needed. You could install the on demand device, and a plumb a holding tank into the cold water supply line before the heater. It would be a constantly renewed back up supply in case of loss of water service. You could pressurize the holding tank with an air compressor and preserve water pressure, too. And probably run the on demand heater on propane, to avoid NG installation expense.
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#265004 - 11/12/13 12:21 AM
Re: access water from your water heater
[Re: nursemike]
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Registered: 03/19/05
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Loc: Channeled Scablands
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The argument for on demand heaters is, IIRC, that no energy is wasted keeping 40 gallons of water hot during the 23 hours and 45 minutes per day that it is not needed. You could install the on demand device, and a plumb a holding tank into the cold water supply line before the heater. It would be a constantly renewed back up supply in case of loss of water service. You could pressurize the holding tank with an air compressor and preserve water pressure, too. And probably run the on demand heater on propane, to avoid NG installation expense.
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The water coming into our house is so cold t that a pre warming tank is needed for an on demand tank.
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#265009 - 11/12/13 04:15 AM
Re: access water from your water heater
[Re: LesSnyder]
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Pooh-Bah
Registered: 07/11/10
Posts: 1680
Loc: New Port Richey, Fla
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re: on demand....you can always add a timer, and break one leg of the 220v circuit...
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