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#26370 - 03/30/04 04:22 AM Kayakers saved by a whistle
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It points out the importance of a whistle. Probably saved the searchers some time.

http://www.pressconnects.com/today/topstories/stories/to032904s78034.shtml

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#26371 - 03/30/04 07:06 AM Re: Kayakers saved by a whistle
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Skater:

I went directly to the website pressconnects to get the story. Apparently the story link (URL) directs you to a 404 error.

Interesting note about the couple being proficent outdoorsman and able to summon aide without having to spend all night. Also noted was the mention of shelter, but no mention of a fire. A lesson learned indeed!

Take care,
Stargazer
ASAP= Always Suspicious, Always Prepared


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#26372 - 03/30/04 11:15 AM Re: Kayakers saved by a whistle
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Here in Western PA, We've just had a Kayaker Rescued from some Quite Swift Current, on one of the Main Tributaries of our Allegheny River. (Essentially the Upper Portion of the Mighty Ohio.) A Convenient Midstream Tree Branch, was his *Only* Salvation! (The Tree being some Entangled Debris)

BTW, When our Rivers Run Swift from Rainy Spells and Floods!, -I've More than Once Seen Whole Trees, Swiftly Flowing Down Midstream, -One After the Other! [color:"black"] [/color] [email]stargazer[/email]
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#26373 - 03/30/04 02:17 PM Re: Kayakers saved by a whistle
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Not knowing the whole story, I would say that the kayaker was very lucky. Many debris piles or “strainers” result in victim entrapment and subsequent drowning. Pete

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#26374 - 03/30/04 10:14 PM Re: Kayakers saved by a whistle
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Years ago, not sure but likely 25, there were two young men tubing on the Susquehanna River in the Binghamton, NY area.
They went over Rock Bottom dam and got stuck in the eddys(?). They remained in their tubes and were for the most part unhurt, just trapped about 100 feet from shore.
The local fire department sent out a 12 foot boat with two firemen in it to "rescue" the kids; they wore lifejackets but they were not tied on.
Result, two firemen drowned when the boat capsized.
The kids were pulled to safety while the river was dragged. The local FD was distraught at the idea of the FD lifevests trapped in the eddys(?) at the base of the damn, a visual reminder of their lost friends. They sent the same boat out to pick them up. Again, the same boat capsized and another fireman drowned. (Not 100% sure, but I think there was a total of 3 firemen lost in this rescue attempt, the kids were pulled to safety).

Nothing beats good training, good equipment and common sense.

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#26375 - 03/30/04 10:29 PM Re: Kayakers saved by a whistle
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Registered: 02/21/03
Posts: 258
Loc: Scotland
Were they trapped upside down, and somehow got into the airspace in their canoes?
I ask because when I was young and foolish I used to go sea kayaking. Part of the fun was "surfing" in to caves, but "breaking out" well before the cave wall.
It was a well known fact that if you miss-timed it, and got caught in the standing wave against the cave wall, you were as good as dead. You are trapped by the incomming waves, as well as being dashed against the wall. Your rescuers are helpless for the same reasons - they to will fall into the wave, capsize and drown, the force of the wave holding them under.
Strange story - lucky boys - rather foolish rescue attempt. (all due respect, but if it was similar circumstances they should have known better)

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#26376 - 03/30/04 10:55 PM Re: Kayakers saved by a whistle
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They were actually in large inner tubes from a truck or other sort of vehicle.
Sat calmly while the firemen tried to rescue them. I think the boat was the last resort, but proved to be a fatal choice.

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#26377 - 03/31/04 12:00 AM Re: Kayakers saved by a whistle
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Very True! I've recently Read about this in a Book. Underwater and Invisible Branches, Submerged Metal Cage Bars, Etc.! [color:"black"] [/color] [email]paramedicpete[/email]
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#26378 - 03/31/04 02:47 PM Re: Kayakers saved by a whistle
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This was most likely what is known as a low-head dam or “drowning machine”. They can be anywhere from 6 inches to 20 feet in height. They are designed to create a downward force at the interface of the water and dam, as well as a back flow. This essentially forces debris or a victim down, as they come up, the back flow forces them back towards the dam, where the cycle continues. The main purpose is to force debris such as tree limbs and logs down to the base of the dam where many have large projections to break-up the debris.

Due to numerous deaths of would be rescuers, many new, highly advanced techniques have been developed to allow boat teams to approach without entering the eddy/back flow area of these low-head dams. The techniques are still very risky and require extensive training to develop and maintain proficiency. Pete

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#26379 - 03/31/04 05:15 PM Re: Kayakers saved by a whistle
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Interesting, a science unto itself.
Thanks.

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#26380 - 03/31/04 06:40 PM Re: Kayakers saved by a whistle
paramedicpete Offline
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Registered: 04/09/02
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Loc: Frederick, Maryland
Yes, it is an actual science called water hydraulics and is part of the over all study of water - hydrology. Hydrologists, study water flow patterns for river/flood control, dam locations, potential effects on aquatic life and recreation development. I am sure there are other aspects to hydrology as well. From a rescue point of view, having a basic knowledge of water hydraulics allows one to anticipate where victims might be located, what type of technical rescue might be best to employ i.e. highlines, boat and/or helicopter operations, tensioned diagonal capture lines, personnel location and most important self-rescue. Pete

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#26381 - 04/01/04 01:57 AM Re: Kayakers saved by a whistle
Anonymous
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Again, very interesting.

Thanks much.

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#26382 - 04/02/04 09:49 PM Re: Kayakers saved by a whistle
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Registered: 04/16/03
Posts: 1076
Roger all the above. Moving water is a surprisingly dangerous thing. What you don't know can definitely hurt you.

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