Yes i know that saying is pobably not quite true (depends on if you count carbon minoxide as polution or natural) and i don't have an SUV, I have a truck <img src="images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />. But my point is everyone wants to point the finger at everyone else when its just as much their fault as well. But MiniMe is correct this whole thread is OT, should have been in the campfire at least.