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#260702 - 05/20/13 07:11 PM Re: Use of tourniquets article [Re: Lono]
chaosmagnet Offline
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Originally Posted By: Lono
I am speaking outside my expertise or training, but I am told an Asherman chest seal may be more appropriate to the random tension pneumothoraxes you would encounter, say, outside battlefield conditions.


My instructors (plural now) and MDinana have said to avoid the Asherman. See http://forums.equipped.org/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=211911&page=3 .

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A US domestic major bleed may be sweaty, but not body armor in 110 degree heat sweaty. There is no petroleum gel, its sterile, and it won't expire in your bag.


Tension pneumothorax usually implies penetrating chest trauma, which in turn implies bleeding. A chest seal that doesn't seal isn't nearly as useful.

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I have an Asherman in my kit but no training on treatment of tension pneumothorax, so only a vague idea of when to apply it.


I'd advise you to get training. If you want to PM me with a locale, I could look to see if there was training I could recommend.

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Anyone who wants to treat me with decompression needles to my lungs better have the license and certification to do so, that's all I'll say about carrying those.


I wouldn't use one unless that person was going to die without it. I'm much, much more likely to use a purpose-made or field-expedient chest seal, especially if I can expect an ambulance to arrive soon.

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#261526 - 06/29/13 06:53 AM Re: Use of tourniquets article [Re: Andy]
Lilly
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As I've heard about this article, it is also in support for the Marquees that are available with a lot of variety in the market having graphics on them. They can use for emergency purposes and to avoid the hardness of weather.

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#261532 - 06/29/13 04:59 PM Re: Use of tourniquets article [Re: chaosmagnet]
Lono Offline
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Registered: 10/19/06
Posts: 1013
Loc: Pacific NW, USA
Good advice Chaosmagnet. Again, I don't pack an Asherman anywhere except in my bloodstopper bag which is predicated on better help arriving pronto, and lots of folks have pointed to the practical issues with this bandage. I don't intend my bag as a blowout or gun shot bag of any kind. Its 4x4s, tape, TQ etc. Stuff I know now to apply, including the Asherman. Pressure. I think Alan's comments on Asherman seals was very practical, and I'll switch to his recommendation of prepackaged 4x4s, tape and a plastic bag instead of the Asherman.

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#261537 - 06/30/13 05:13 AM Re: Use of tourniquets article [Re: Andy]
MarkO Offline
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Registered: 03/19/10
Posts: 137
Loc: Oregon
FWIW, I've just gone through TQ training as part of my Emergency Medical Responder (Oregon) continuing training. We used the CAT branded TQ's. Extremely easy to use.

Our instructor mentioned a soldier in Iraq had one on for 9hrs with no long lasting effects.

For bigger guys like me, the instructor indicated you may need two for a femoral artery wound.

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#261548 - 06/30/13 08:15 PM Re: Use of tourniquets article [Re: Andy]
jshannon Offline
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Registered: 02/02/03
Posts: 647
Loc: North Texas

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