A big concern for us too in Minnesota. I help my brother cut, split, haul, and stack firewood for his outside furnace. It is really a lot of work! If you don't have a woodlot, that fuel is just as expensive and hard to get in an emergency as any other fuel, and your home insurance rates will go up if you have an indoor wood burning furnace..

For our house, we have city gas. Obviously, that could be interrupted at any time for a variety of reasons. For short term backup, we rely on portable electric heaters. If power goes down too, we have kerosene heaters and enough fuel for a few days. We also use propane catalytic heaters as backup. Not a lot of comfort, but placed in the basement, it keeps the pipes from freezing.

Long term plan is to install a couple of wall mounted propane space heaters with outside venting and a couple of 100 gal tanks at the ready.

Killing mosquitoes is nor a sport or inhumane action. Killing mosquitoes is an act of self defense since they are transmission carriers of Malaria, West Nile Virus, and I don't know what else.

I am also in the group that kills to defend or eat, and that includes fish. Like the man said earlier, there is no thrill in killing for "sport" after hunting and dealing with 2 legged animals that shoot back.

Nice of you to drop by,like seeing your Dog.

I still think you are overestimating your survival as you need to accept there are ALWAYS bigger Dogs than you,and a sniper in end of world scenario is a huge huge threat. Cant just go outside and not expect danger will be lurking everywhere,thats my opinion on subject.

Also note I said you are way ahead of herd and you are.

Congrats on Pantry and having wife on board,, again IMO thats a viable possible threat and I agree with LDS on their philosophy in that regard.

Just dont overestimate yourself.The survivor will be lone wolf or compounds with lots of members IMO,FWIW.

Like the survivor TV program,every time someone thinks they are THE man,taken out they are,just if for no other reason than 'they can'

Good luck going forward,lets hope the scenario never presents itself,IMO odds are it wont,not mad max anyhow.

My brother, retired in Bemidji from the Houston heat, has a nice country place with a large fireplace and lots of wood nearby. I am always impressed by his large honkin' propane gas tank, filled up once a year in the late summer.

I had a 500 gallon tank when I lived in Duluth. The nice thing is, the price of propane fluctuates, and you can buy it when its cheap. If you own the tank (many are owned by the gas co.) you can dump your supplier and find a cheaper one if you want to. One tank usually lasted me all winter.

Besides, if you believe the scientific theory presented in the movie "Day After Tomorrow" it doesn't matter anyway. All of us north of the Mason-Dixon line are doomed to an instant frosty death when the climate changes.

Might as well party on until Jack Frost takes us down!

Actually, I'd be crying for the poor guy if he only has eleven, not laughing at him.


Well, at least you recognize there is a difference between "auto" and "semi-auto", unlike the majority of politicians and new organizations (actually, they know, they just pretend they don't). Not that you'd have a snowballs chance in h*** of getting an auto anyway...

Contrary to the persona I use, whose weapons of choice are the Heckler & Koch VP70 and MP5K, I have zero guns. Would you be crying over me?

I do not believe I would be allowed a firearm due to my psychiatric history; even if I were, I am unable to afford a weapon and training at this time.

Jeanette Isabelle

Actually, I'd be crying for the poor guy if he only has eleven, not laughing at him.
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And I thought it was the Coglahns survival tin that was worth crying over. YMMV!



We're thinking a 22/410 would be a good start. It's one of the guns my hubby learned on and, from the little I know of it, seems like it would be perfect for us. We've got an extremely tight budget so we're not likely to turn into a multiple gun owning family, at least for a while, so the 22/410 combo seems like a good compromise - a rifle and shotgun in one. We want something for food procurement (small game primarily) and perhaps a little defense, and this seems like something we could all use. (Well, not the baby, she's not going anywhere near it until she's old enough. In my mind, that's around ten but dependant on each kiddo's personality and maturity.)

I would go with a .22 only. You learn all the basics of good marksmanship, ammo cheap(er), plus (IMO) I was never impressed with the utility of a 410 (YMMV). Plus, you might find .22 rifles cheaper (new or used); also, a friend or relative might have one in the closet they are willing to part with. At least in the eastern US (and I assume eastern Canada) you can take lots of small game with a .22 (as long as you know how to shoot, and that is a skill you want to learn/teach).

Rifle/shotgun combo's are on the radar for banning,see californias new laws they are pushing through,as I type.