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#259363 - 04/19/13 01:40 AM Re: Many feared dead in large explosion in Texas [Re: James_Van_Artsdalen]
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Originally Posted By: James_Van_Artsdalen


This is why you don't hang out and watch an industrial fire. You run away as far and as fast as you can!
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#259367 - 04/19/13 02:20 AM Re: Many feared dead in large explosion in Texas [Re: adam2]
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In the Texas City explosion the 5 ton ship's anchor was blown through the air about 1/2 mile.

Notice in the video that the shock wave was apparently still supersonic when it got to him. He's lucky it didn't carry some debris at bullet speeds.

Apparently the firefighters who responded the the fire before the explosion all died, apparently staying in the blast zone to warn people to get out. The plan owners have much to answer for.

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#259370 - 04/19/13 02:31 AM Re: Many feared dead in large explosion in Texas [Re: darin]
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Originally Posted By: darin
I,m surprised why the plant, being that close to the town was not required to have blast burms installed around the perimeter like they often require around ammo dumps and fire works site.

Unfortunately these explosions will throw a lot of hot burning debris over any berm. After the Texas City explosion responders had trouble even entering the area because of the fires and debris thrown many miles around the epicenter.

Land is cheap there and a buffer zone should have been bought. Along with a plan that didn't expect 3 volunteer firefighters to show up to deal with that fire.

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#259528 - 04/20/13 04:23 PM Re: Many feared dead in large explosion in Texas [Re: adam2]
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Not being from a rural or small town, I've been wondering how you could end up with a really big bomb in the heart of your town.

This article, Why did West, Texas, build homes and a school next to a 'time bomb'? tries to go into that question.

Quote:
...like most West residents, Kucera exhibited no animosity or anger toward the plant owner or town officials who allowed construction so close to an explosives storage site.

Instead, he saw the danger as a natural tradeoff of rural farming existence, where danger is always a factor amid killer tornadoes, whirring threshers, pipelines and gas storage facilities necessary to survive on America's rural fringe. In the case of the West Fertilizer Plant, its very products boosted the fertility of both crops and the economy.

"That plant was part of our town and what happened is part of living in a farming town," Kucera says. "You accept a certain level of risk, just as people living in cities do."

Sounds very similar to something I just read about the horrible pollution and environmental damage in many parts of China. The residents are not blind to the risk or where it's coming from, but it's something they accept as a cost of economic development.

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#259718 - 04/22/13 08:13 PM Re: Many feared dead in large explosion in Texas [Re: James_Van_Artsdalen]
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I'm well aware that burning debis would fly over any burm, how ever at least the blast would not have decapitated the second floor of the near by apt building. I'll take exscape from a burning building anyday over trying to dig out of a colapsed one.

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#259721 - 04/22/13 10:45 PM Re: Many feared dead in large explosion in Texas [Re: adam2]
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I read, somewhere, that the plant was built well outside the town and developers built homes, schools etc. as the town expanded. I've driven through West many times. Used to be best known for it's Czech bakery.

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#259748 - 04/23/13 05:19 AM Re: Many feared dead in large explosion in Texas [Re: adam2]
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The Boston bombing grabbed all the headlines but the Texas explosion is far scarier. From what I've read, there were several hundred tons of amonium nitrate that was undeclared, while you're supposed to notify if there's more than (iirc) 400 lbs. Apparently compliance is voluntary, or at least there's little by way of enforcement. Laws were flouted and many are dead. There could be dozens, maybe hundreds, of similar situations right under our noses all over the country.
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#259752 - 04/23/13 06:32 AM Re: Many feared dead in large explosion in Texas [Re: Blast]
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Originally Posted By: Blast
This is why you don't hang out and watch an industrial fire. You run away as far and as fast as you can!
-Blast
Definitely something to bear in mind. Yipes.

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