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#258036 - 03/26/13 12:07 AM Invisible help in Survival Situations?
sybert777 Offline
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Hello, Preppers.
I would like your opinion on something I have been curious about for a while. When you are in the wilderness, or even lost and in a true life-or-death situation, do you consider faith a good thing, or a bad thing? I am not willing to disclose my beliefs, because I feel that I would be a minority. I do not see faith as beneficial in a physical sense (praying for fire will not make one appear), but if it helps you to get through your struggle, I see it as beneficial. I am not singling out any one belief. So, I guess what I am asking is: Does your faith help you through situations? Or do you believe that two hands working accomplishes more than two hands clasped in prayer? If this is too controversial of a topic, Moderators, feel free to delete it. As long as there is no bashing, I don't feel that it shouldn't be discussed.

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#258039 - 03/26/13 12:28 AM Re: Invisible help in Survival Situations? [Re: sybert777]
hikermor Offline
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Interesting topic. I suspect you will get a wide range of answers on this topic. I think I would have to say that religious faith has had a minor or no role in emergency situations in which I have been involved or have witnessed. There is basically a whole lot of randomness out there - sometimes things break for you, sometimes against you.

I would describe myself as a non church attending individual who tries, imperfectly to be sure, to adhere to basic Judeo-Christian principles, the ethical matrix in which I was reared. Tolerance and respect for other traditions are important.
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#258040 - 03/26/13 12:30 AM Re: Invisible help in Survival Situations? [Re: sybert777]
Cauldronborn2 Offline
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In a lot of survival stories with good outcomes the person or persons involved had something to their spirits up and to help them stay in a positive mindset.

So I would say that anything that helps keep your moral up is a good thing provided you also do the practical things as you mention.

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#258042 - 03/26/13 12:40 AM Re: Invisible help in Survival Situations? [Re: sybert777]
Bingley Offline
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The subject line led me to think we're supposed to be talking about stuff like the Third Man syndrome:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_Man_factor

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#258051 - 03/26/13 03:12 AM Re: Invisible help in Survival Situations? [Re: sybert777]
sybert777 Offline
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Well, I, myself, am not a religious person, however I respect all faiths. I will not argue against someone that finds comfort in believing in any god(s). I am a "do'er" so I personally (do not take offense) see prayer as unhelpful, but it is comparable to fire, in the fact that it may boost one's morale and their will to survive. I find my will to survive in my family. So, whether you believe in the Judaeo-Christian God, Vishnu, Bhudda, Allah, or Thor, if it keeps your spirits high, I advocate it. However, if you are in a survivable situation (referring to someone that has no survival experience) and you only pray, I believe that may help more than hurt. This is my opinion, and I would like to hear your opinion as well, Please don't feel offended if I said something you may disagree with.

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#258056 - 03/26/13 03:52 AM Re: Invisible help in Survival Situations? [Re: sybert777]
MoBOB Offline
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I think the question can also be asked "faith for what?" Personally, when I pray, meditate, or whatever, what it allows me to do is to slow down for a few moments. In those moments my mind can rearrange and reprioritize. It also allows for a bit of a catharsis. All of which can help clear the initial "shock" out.

So, I would say that to use the term generically, faith is a good thing.
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#258059 - 03/26/13 03:59 AM Re: Invisible help in Survival Situations? [Re: sybert777]
sybert777 Offline
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Hi, MoBOB. I moved to MO in August, so I went from IlRandy, to MoRandy. smile I don't pray or meditate, but I do take the time to relax and set myself straight. I have alot going on at the moment, with school and trying to find a job, and I often need to just take the time to relax and sort things out.

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#258060 - 03/26/13 04:00 AM Re: Invisible help in Survival Situations? [Re: sybert777]
sybert777 Offline
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I keep searching for a "like" option on your guys' posts.... I spend too much time on facebook.

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#258065 - 03/26/13 07:05 AM Re: Invisible help in Survival Situations? [Re: sybert777]
Phaedrus Offline
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I'll take learning skills and being prepared over faith in some higher power to deliver me. I do think positive thinking and a fierce will to survive is crucial, but these things come from within, not without (IMOHO).

Spiritually I would characterize myself as not particularly superstitious.
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#258069 - 03/26/13 07:26 AM Re: Invisible help in Survival Situations? [Re: sybert777]
sybert777 Offline
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Phaedrus, I am quite like yourself. I am atheist, and I have always thought that faith is potentially harmful in certain occasions, but as I stated before, I have nothing against it. I have always thought two hands working accomplishes more than two hands clasped in prayer. I am not one who usually brings up religion, but I know alot of people benefit from it.

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