#257149 - 03/04/13 08:43 PM
Re: No CPR allowed
[Re: Arney]
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Registered: 08/03/12
Posts: 264
Loc: Missouri
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Apparently the nurse was following the policy of the I-L facility which employed her. While I don't much like the policy of that facility, she did what some people find themselves having to do. I worked at a hospital in Texas which did not allow Respiratory Therapists (of which I'm one) to intubate patients during resuscitation. Only Physicians could do that. An R.T. who worked there till just before I got there intubated a patient after waiting what seemed to him to be an excessive time for a Physician to respond. He was fired that day. I'm pretty sure this policy was due to Liability issues, so I'll say no more.
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#257152 - 03/04/13 09:11 PM
Re: No CPR allowed
[Re: Arney]
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Registered: 02/27/08
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Relevant passage: During the 7-minute, 16-second call, [the 911 dispatcher] Halvorson assured the nurse that Glenwood couldn't be sued if anything went wrong with CPR, saying the local emergency medical system "takes the liability for this call," the transcript states.
Later in the call, Halvorson asks, "Is there a gardener? Any staff, anyone who doesn't work for you? Anywhere? Can we flag someone down in the street and get them to help this lady? Can we flag a stranger down? I bet a stranger would help her."
Halvorson is an experienced dispatcher and has worked for the county center for at least a decade, Kern County Fire Department Deputy Chief Michael Miller said. She followed procedures until she ran out of options when the caller refused to perform CPR or identify anyone else who could, Miller said. http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/arti...331bef3b47ab87f
Edited by Bingley (03/04/13 09:12 PM)
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#257153 - 03/04/13 09:45 PM
Re: No CPR allowed
[Re: Bingley]
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Registered: 02/05/10
Posts: 776
Loc: Northern IL
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Relevant passage: During the 7-minute, 16-second call, [the 911 dispatcher] Halvorson assured the nurse that Glenwood couldn't be sued if anything went wrong with CPR, saying the local emergency medical system "takes the liability for this call," the transcript states.
Later in the call, Halvorson asks, "Is there a gardener? Any staff, anyone who doesn't work for you? Anywhere? Can we flag someone down in the street and get them to help this lady? Can we flag a stranger down? I bet a stranger would help her."
Halvorson is an experienced dispatcher and has worked for the county center for at least a decade, Kern County Fire Department Deputy Chief Michael Miller said. She followed procedures until she ran out of options when the caller refused to perform CPR or identify anyone else who could, Miller said. http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/arti...331bef3b47ab87f It seems unlikely that a dispatcher has any legal authority to accept whatever liability there might be. Still referring to the caller as a "nurse".
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#257154 - 03/04/13 09:58 PM
Re: No CPR allowed
[Re: ILBob]
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Registered: 02/27/08
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It seems unlikely that a dispatcher has any legal authority to accept whatever liability there might be. Still referring to the caller as a "nurse". I don't know the law, but maybe the dispatcher doesn't need any authority. Perhaps the rule is that once the 911 call has been placed, 911 is liable for any instruction or action performed as a consequence. But then again, I'm no lawyer, and I'm just guessing.
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#257155 - 03/04/13 10:13 PM
Re: No CPR allowed
[Re: Arney]
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Pooh-Bah
Registered: 09/15/05
Posts: 2485
Loc: California
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So, I assume that no one has heard of any other situations with a similar policy that we need to be aware of? Maybe it's just limited to facilities that cater to the very old and infirm?
I mean, anyone heard of a gym with a no CPR policy? Or perhaps a swimming pool with a lifeguard who is not allowed to do CPR but has to call EMS instead? How about a private school? Are there privately employed elementary school teachers who are prohibited from performing CPR on students?
Sorry, I know I may be sounding almost flippant with my examples, but in all seriousness, I'm curious if there are other situations like this to be aware of.
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#257164 - 03/05/13 12:35 AM
Re: No CPR allowed
[Re: spuds]
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Registered: 08/31/11
Posts: 1233
Loc: Alaska
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Are you required to provide free tax services,or meat cutting for those 'in need' because you work in a field? Are you suggesting that you would charge someone a fee before doing CPR?
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