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#256927 - 02/26/13 06:57 PM Re: Chaffing fuel for stove [Re: JPickett]
Roarmeister Offline
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Registered: 09/12/01
Posts: 960
Loc: Saskatchewan, Canada
Originally Posted By: JPickett
Well, it looks like diethylene glycol isn't necessarily safer than alcohol, just toxic in a different way. Instead of killing your retina, it kills your kidneys and some other important organs. Still, it can be used as a heat source and won't evaporate as quickly as alcohol.


Not the fuel itself -- in terms of safety it was implied by Dave that stove itself is safer because of less likihood to spill liquids and you can pick up the stove with your hands while it is burning because it uses a wick. Plus you can cap the stove afterwards.

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#256941 - 02/27/13 04:41 AM Re: Chaffing fuel for stove [Re: Roarmeister]
acropolis5 Offline
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Registered: 06/18/06
Posts: 358
Did I miss something or is there no purchase info on the web site advertisement? How do you price or order this stuff?

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#256943 - 02/27/13 07:15 AM Re: Chaffing fuel for stove [Re: Roarmeister]
dougwalkabout Offline
Crazy Canuck
Carpal Tunnel

Registered: 02/03/07
Posts: 3250
Loc: Alberta, Canada
I had a look at Canadian Tire today, and they stock a variety of sizes including 3-pack fondue-size ($5.99). But the fuel itself is worth a fraction of that. There has to be a better price, probably through restaurant supply outfits since that's the primary market. Assuming it is worth buying.

As for health effects, it's hard to say since the manufacturer will only send MSDSs if you fill out a form and request it. Probably trying to protect their formula, which any decent lab could determine in a flash. The can labels make it clear that the product is highly poisonous and flammable without details (that I could see).

It's worth noting that there isn't really any benign stove fuel, though denatured ethanol is probably comes closest. Hydrocarbon skin contact, vapour, or ingestion is not terribly good for you. Glycols generally need to be swallowed to do harm, though the harm is significant. Methanol (methyl hydrate) is potentially the trickiest to handle since it is dangerous if absorbed through skin, inhaled as vapour, or ingested. Lesson: don't drink, sniff, or wash hands with your stove fuel.

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#256955 - 02/27/13 09:33 PM Re: Chaffing fuel for stove [Re: dougwalkabout]
clearwater Offline
Old Hand

Registered: 03/19/05
Posts: 1185
Loc: Channeled Scablands
Everclear?

Stove fuel, antiseptic, cocktail mixer.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Everclear_(alcohol)

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#256960 - 02/28/13 12:08 AM Re: Chaffing fuel for stove [Re: clearwater]
hikermor Offline
Geezer in Chief
Geezer

Registered: 08/26/06
Posts: 7705
Loc: southern Cal
In its role as a cocktail mixer, ethanol has probably killed more people than atomic weapons. It is surely one of the least benign substances known to man.

This really pushes one of my buttons. I have dragged entirely too many inebriated corpses out of the mountains and woods. Rant off.
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#256964 - 02/28/13 05:53 AM Re: Chaffing fuel for stove [Re: clearwater]
dougwalkabout Offline
Crazy Canuck
Carpal Tunnel

Registered: 02/03/07
Posts: 3250
Loc: Alberta, Canada
Everclear as stove fuel? Maybe in the USA, but given the price we pay up here it would be cheaper to charter a helo and have them deliver Starbucks lattes. laugh

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