#255494 - 01/15/13 01:58 AM
Omnifuel vs Dragonfly
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Stranger
Registered: 01/11/13
Posts: 3
Loc: Ontario, Canada
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Hello Everybody! I was looking on the net for a good review or test about multi-fuel stoves and found this site. It's very complete about all the details and test. But I have question. I'm in the Canadian military and was looking for a stove that has the capability to simmer and works on JP8 (our common NATO diesel fuel). Weight not factor, I can't decide on which one to get. Any experienced input?
Thank you kindly
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#255501 - 01/15/13 04:06 AM
Re: Omnifuel vs Dragonfly
[Re: Stephen]
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Geezer
Registered: 06/02/06
Posts: 5357
Loc: SOCAL
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JP-8 is jet fuel, but it apparently also works in diesel engines. The Dragonfly simmers well and according to MSR, it can use jet fuel, diesel and unleaded auto fuel in addition to the usual stove fuels such as white gas and kerosene. That said, I have no experience using any stove with JP.
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#255517 - 01/15/13 01:28 PM
Re: Omnifuel vs Dragonfly
[Re: peobey]
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Registered: 06/24/12
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Loc: SoCal Mtns
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I'm in the Canadian military and was looking for a stove that has the capability to simmer and works on JP8 (our common NATO diesel fuel). Quick google search says statement is accurate.
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#255525 - 01/15/13 04:41 PM
Re: Omnifuel vs Dragonfly
[Re: spuds]
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Registered: 01/11/13
Posts: 3
Loc: Ontario, Canada
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As spuds says: Outside of powering aircraft, JP-8 is used as a fuel for heaters, stoves,[1] tanks,[2] by the U.S. military as a replacement for diesel fuel in the engines of nearly all tactical ground vehicles and electrical generators, and as a coolant in engines and some other aircraft components. The use of a single fuel greatly simplifies logistics.
Taken from Wikipedia and own experience in the military.
The stove we get as section are Coleman 2 burner that runs on naphta. I know both dragonfly & omnifuel work on naphta but I'd rather have a stove that run JP8 also just in case.
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#255529 - 01/15/13 05:42 PM
Re: Omnifuel vs Dragonfly
[Re: peobey]
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Registered: 12/06/07
Posts: 418
Loc: St. Petersburg, Florida
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peobey,
Try the blog of our resident stove expert, HikinJim - adventuresinstoving.blogspot.com
His information is some of the best I have seen. He suggests that there are advantages and disadvantages to each. The biggest question many have about the MSR is the effect of cold on the plastic pumps. Although I have no direct experience with either, I have used an MSR XGK which has a similar (but not identical) pump. It has worked well to at least -40 (same temp on both scales). The older XGK will work on most anything (and I have tried quite a few including several jet fuels) it is quite simple and that helps. It does not simmer well however.
Respectfully,
Jerry
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#255542 - 01/15/13 08:34 PM
Re: Omnifuel vs Dragonfly
[Re: peobey]
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Registered: 03/18/10
Posts: 530
Loc: Montreal Canada
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I've ran my omnifuel on naptha, gasoline and kerosene and all ran well if the correct jet is used. No experience with JP8 however since I don't have access to that stuff. The heavier fuel are going to be harder to preheat in cold weather, and there's always the concern of additives in fuel producing toxic fume.
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#255550 - 01/15/13 10:59 PM
Re: Omnifuel vs Dragonfly
[Re: Stephen]
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Stranger
Registered: 01/11/13
Posts: 3
Loc: Ontario, Canada
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.....I'd rather have a stove that run JP8 also just in case. Your section commander may get upset if he catches you siphoning fuel from the LAV to run a personal heater. I'll buy him off with a nice hot REAL coffee made with the help of my stove
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#255551 - 01/15/13 11:57 PM
Re: Omnifuel vs Dragonfly
[Re: peobey]
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Geezer
Registered: 06/02/06
Posts: 5357
Loc: SOCAL
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Since your Coleman 2 burner stove runs on naphta (aka white gas), the Dragonfly would be a back-up to that stove using a more common (for you) and less volatile fuel. This seems like a prudent back-up.
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#255557 - 01/16/13 01:51 AM
Re: Omnifuel vs Dragonfly
[Re: JerryFountain]
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Registered: 04/09/12
Posts: 177
Loc: Canada
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peobey,
....about the MSR is the effect of cold on the plastic pumps.... I thought that when I tried the whisperlight the first time. I was surprised about how well the plastic parts held up in the cold. (Alberta @ around -35 deg Cel) As an added bonus your damp fingers won't freeze to the plastic parts when pumping up the fuel bottle either.
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