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#253061 - 11/08/12 07:25 PM Re: Re-thinking wound care [Re: Glock-A-Roo]
Pete Offline
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Registered: 02/20/09
Posts: 1372
thanks. I don't think any of us like to really contemplate wounds of that severity. but it seems like they've done a good job with the design of the CAT tourniquet. I'll buy one and throw it into my med kit :-)

Pete2

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#253081 - 11/09/12 07:08 AM Re: Re-thinking wound care [Re: Glock-A-Roo]
MarkO Offline
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Registered: 03/19/10
Posts: 137
Loc: Oregon
Originally Posted By: Glock-A-Roo
Originally Posted By: Pete
Can you explain that a bit more. CAT tourniquet??


Sorry Pete, I lapsed into jargon-speak!

Here ya go:

CAT home page

at North American Rescue


They're the ones they had at our class.

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#253102 - 11/09/12 07:18 PM Re: Re-thinking wound care [Re: Pete]
bigmbogo Offline
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Registered: 02/11/05
Posts: 82
My thought (and I'm obviously no expert since I posted the original question!) is that any wound that is bleeding that profusely has already flushed itself out with it's own blood. My instincts tell me not to get too fancy fooling around with it, but just stop the bleeding.

FWIW,

David

Originally Posted By: Pete
here's one thing ... and I want to get the opinion especially of the paramedics on this forum.

for a case of serious (or critical) bledding from an extremity I am considering the following technique.

1. While one person gets gear ready (bandages, celox dressings, water for irrigation), a second person applies immediate pressure at the site of the wound.

2. when ready to go, someone takes a piece of surgical tubing and wraps it around the uppermost part of the extremity with some tightness. not enough to be a tourniqet, but enough to reduce blood pressure in the extremity.

3. with blood flow temporarily reduced ... wound is uncovered, irrigated to clean out foreign matter, new bandages applied, pressure applied again on new banadages. goal of this step - 60 secs maximum time.

4. surgical tubing is removed and pressure is maintained on the wound site.

the idea of this technique is to temporarily reduce blood flow to allow quick cleaning and better application of proper bandages. the aim is to be smooth and fast, so blood pressure to the extremity is only reduced for a short time.

and by the way, you could essentially do the same thing if you used a blood pressure cuff on the extremity (and pumped it up) to reduce blood flow. just don't pump it to the point where it gets to systolic pressure - allow some blood to keep flowing.

thoughts??

Pete2

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#253117 - 11/10/12 12:16 AM Re: Re-thinking wound care [Re: Pete]
chaosmagnet Offline
Sheriff
Carpal Tunnel

Registered: 12/03/09
Posts: 3842
Loc: USA
Originally Posted By: Pete
thanks. I don't think any of us like to really contemplate wounds of that severity. but it seems like they've done a good job with the design of the CAT tourniquet. I'll buy one and throw it into my med kit :-)

Pete2


Do not buy a tourniquet until you have been trained in when and how to use it.

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#253149 - 11/10/12 07:00 PM Re: Re-thinking wound care [Re: NightHiker]
Arney Offline
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Registered: 09/15/05
Posts: 2485
Loc: California
Originally Posted By: NightHiker
QuikClot has been reformulated to minimize the heat created during the clotting process (they swithced from zeolite to kaolin)

Just for completeness, there are still second-generation zeolite-based QuikClot products that you may find out there, such as QuikClot ACS+, QuikClot 1st Response, QuikClot Sport, and QuikClot Sport Silver. I don't recall ever hearing of any heat issues with second-gen QuikClot products.

Products like QuikClot Combat Gauze and QuikClot Emergency Dressing are the newest kaolin-based products.

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#253174 - 11/11/12 04:35 PM Re: Re-thinking wound care [Re: bigmbogo]
Pete Offline
Veteran

Registered: 02/20/09
Posts: 1372
somewhat surprising results. tests of new wound care gauzes on actual femoral bleeding show no big improvement.

http://tacmed.tumblr.com/post/12327052888/standard-gauze-versus-haemostatic-agents

interesting study. don't know if this carries over to all possible wounds.

Pete2

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#253540 - 11/19/12 02:11 AM Re: Re-thinking wound care [Re: bigmbogo]
CJK Offline
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Registered: 08/14/05
Posts: 601
Loc: FL, USA
I'm not saying they don't have a role....I have had countless very traumatic injuries.... all controllable. Yes I am aware of recent combat applications and the great outcomes. Just saying I've never needed or seen one used. That said....I still keep it in my mind.

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