#250711 - 09/07/12 02:59 AM
Re: BriarTek Patent Claims Pressure Popular 2-Way SEND
[Re: Doug_Ritter]
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One more case for why current patent law is crap.
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#250719 - 09/07/12 07:23 AM
Re: BriarTek Patent Claims Pressure Popular 2-Way SEND
[Re: Doug_Ritter]
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At first blush they look like another patent troll.
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#250729 - 09/07/12 12:54 PM
Re: BriarTek Patent Claims Pressure Popular 2-Way SEND
[Re: Doug_Ritter]
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Not really a patent troll, as that definition specifies a troll as a patent holder who doesn't actually have or intend to have a product to market utilizing the patented technology they claim. BriarTek at least has a SEND device on the market now, and they were members of the relevant RTCM committee.
Doug you have my sympathies, this is the dilemma of every standards organization. You might ask your legal counsel if the following amendment might have caught BriarTek's claim at an earlier juncture: “The ballot to approve every RTCM standard shall ask the member to identify **IN WRITING** any applicable patents **ISSUED OR PENDING** they are aware of which are not identified in the standard.” Patent law is way more complicated than I can really understand, but we wrote our own bylaws to attempt to compel everyone voting on a standard or guideline to disclose a patent interest before approving the standard. Its damned miserable to look around a room and realize someone working with you in the standards effort may have embedded their novel idea into your standard and are awaiting ratification to seek compensation for it. In an industry where innovation takes place among numerous companies outside the standards body, this is a constant risk (or, temptation for patent holders everywhere).
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#250747 - 09/07/12 08:41 PM
Re: BriarTek Patent Claims Pressure Popular 2-Way SEND
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I should have put it like this- they look like Apple, another company with no problem patenting obvious things, seeking blanket patents for whole categories of vague ideas and calendars that don't match the rest of the world. Maybe so, I don't know - at the moment to me this is just another guy driving a Blue Ford, hardly enough to brand them either a miscreant or having a valid patent claim. I think sometimes people's frustration with the complexity of patents derives from the complexity of technology, and any time we see something we don't really understand or can't differentiate from another technology we may understand better, we leap to an assumption of obviousness and begin to ascribe motives. To me everyone in the field of PLBs are driving Blue Fords. I wish they would all get along and cooperate on standards and such, but sometimes like in many other fields, that ain't gonna happen.
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#250765 - 09/09/12 02:26 AM
Re: BriarTek Patent Claims Pressure Popular 2-Way SEND
[Re: Doug_Ritter]
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It's hard to believe that all of the satellite telephones over the years don't make considerable prior-art here. And that's a pretty recent patent.
But I'm retired now and refuse to read another patent. A root canal is more fun.
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#250766 - 09/09/12 04:44 AM
Re: BriarTek Patent Claims Pressure Popular 2-Way SEND
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Patent law is about the most respectable areas of the law. If a guy invents something and can prove it in front of a lot super smart people, the inventor deserves the spoils. A patent that is worth anything must go through the grind of many years of investigation, probing, and proving itself. By the time we see news about a patent, it has already gone through years, maybe over a decade, of scrutiny. Patent law encourages innovation because it costs a lot of money to innovate and chase a dream. It even costs a lot of money to sit around and think of inventions, even if the inventor never produces a product. There would be LITTLE INCENTIVE for companies and their inventors to innovate if they could not capitalize on an invention. Thus, there would be far less innovation without our patent law system.
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#250769 - 09/09/12 07:04 AM
Re: BriarTek Patent Claims Pressure Popular 2-Way SEND
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I believe that if someone invents something truly unique and non-obvious they deserve to benefit from its commercial success. But what I see here is an obvious application of an existing technology.
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#250770 - 09/09/12 07:31 AM
Re: BriarTek Patent Claims Pressure Popular 2-Way SEND
[Re: Doug_Ritter]
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For those who feel strongly either way, I recommend preparing an amicus brief for the court, or prepare a brief and send it to the law firm representing the party you believe. The court system is where patent matters are decided.
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#250780 - 09/09/12 07:29 PM
Re: BriarTek Patent Claims Pressure Popular 2-Way SEND
[Re: ireckon]
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Patent law is about the most respectable areas of the law. If a guy invents something and can prove it in front of a lot super smart people, the inventor deserves the spoils. A patent that is worth anything must go through the grind of many years of investigation, probing, and proving itself. By the time we see news about a patent, it has already gone through years, maybe over a decade, of scrutiny. Patent law encourages innovation because it costs a lot of money to innovate and chase a dream. It even costs a lot of money to sit around and think of inventions, even if the inventor never produces a product. There would be LITTLE INCENTIVE for companies and their inventors to innovate if they could not capitalize on an invention. Thus, there would be far less innovation without our patent law system. Yes, but patented products and ideas are only as good as the originator's willingness to defend it. The concept that the inventor deserves the spoils is fine but somewhat naive. The reality is that almost everything we have is an invention that is built on the shoulders of someone else. The inventor of the stand-up walk-in tub (a fellow Canadian, Ladimer Kowalchuk from Ituna, SK) decided NOT to patent his design and as a result a large niche industry has developed from his idea. He, himself and his family still run their own stand-up tub business (Safety Bath) and do quite well but he was not willing to take it to a higher level or willing to apply for the patent because of the rigors of getting and defending it. Other companies with more financial and marketing resources have also profited deeply from his invention. Could he have been richer if he had sought and enforced his patent? Perhaps, but by letting it go "wild" the idea took a wider hold and the entire walk-in tub industry grew from it. The other side of the coin is the inventor of intermittent windshield wiper, Robert Kearns. He got his patent but it took many years and lawsuits to finally get his just rewards from Ford/Chrysler.
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#250783 - 09/09/12 08:58 PM
Re: BriarTek Patent Claims Pressure Popular 2-Way SEND
[Re: Roarmeister]
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Anecdotal evidence of a few patents does not rule the day because the U.S. Patent Office alone has issued over 6 million patents. I'm not even talking about other countries. U.S. companies collectively have owned millions of patents on which they rely to be what they are. The following companies would not exist in their current form if it weren't for our patent system: Intel, Qualcomm, IBM, Apple, SAP, Microsoft, and many others. U.S. pharmaceutical companies would not research and make new drugs if it weren't for the U.S. patent system. Heck, they wouldn't even exist.
The reality is that an invention in the USA is determined by the Patent Office and by the U.S. court system, not by commentary on the Internet. If you want to prove or disprove a particular invention, we have this system setup for people to go through the proper channels. It's naive to think you can make up your own Internet definition of what you think an invention is. Well, you can, but it won't matter for capitalization purposes in the real world.
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