hey bountyhunter : how about a surplus rifle..the ishapore NO.1MK3 enfield rifle in 7.62x51 (.308 win.) with a ten round magazine is a great value for your money.. check out your next gun show and gunshop and get one in your hands i think you'll like it . <img src="images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />. ..vince g.