gee chris : i'm impressed, it appers your well read..you must have gone to collage . <img src="images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> <img src="images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />...also the term s.m.l.e or 'smely' short for short magazine lee enfield refers to the NO.1MK111 type enfield only.. the NO.4 MK1 OR MK2 of ww2 make are not refered to as a s.m.l.e..by collectors...yea i know i'm nitpicky its just the collector in me.. <img src="images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />..vince g.