Equipped To Survive Equipped To Survive® Presents
The Survival Forum
Where do you want to go on ETS?

Topic Options
#24828 - 02/20/04 12:06 AM Oetzi Update
Chris Kavanaugh Offline
Carpal Tunnel

Registered: 02/09/01
Posts: 3824
Longtime forum members will remember our threads about Oetzi, the Italian Alps mummy. Several websites have interesting new theories about the fight that ended his life, based on further research and the input of a forensic detective,archer and others.

Top
#24829 - 02/20/04 12:22 AM Re: Oetzi Update
joblot Offline
enthusiast

Registered: 02/21/03
Posts: 258
Loc: Scotland
If I remember correctly he had unhealthy levels of arsenic in his system due to copper mining and production, which didn't help his general heath. On top of that a REALLY hard life had taken its toll on his joints, especially taken together with a few old war injuries.(arrow wounds I think)
A trip over the Alps was at the best dangerous for a man in peak condition, let alone a 30 something oldtimer like himself. (30 was old in those days apparently!)
Although he perished I belive he was very well equipped - food, hunting equipment, warm clothing etc.
Quite amazing.

Top
#24830 - 02/20/04 12:08 PM Re: Oetzi Update
Anonymous
Unregistered


I think you missed the later news- they completely missed an arrowhead in his chest. The Alps did not kill him.

Man is still the most dangerous animal by far.

Top
#24831 - 02/20/04 07:47 PM Re: Oetzi Update
Anonymous
Unregistered


Yes, a friend of mine told me that, and I didn't believe him having read a lengthly book on the topic. Now I know its true. <img src="images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

Top
#24832 - 02/20/04 09:19 PM Re: Oetzi Update
Chris Kavanaugh Offline
Carpal Tunnel

Registered: 02/09/01
Posts: 3824
Experimental archaeology, or the attempted duplication of various technologies and the knowledge of contemporary practitioners in many fields is very revealing ( and fun, I want a catapult.) They dropped the goatherd theory when no goathairs were found on the mummy. A friend who weaves and raises the beasties attested to that, looking like a walking furball at her best <img src="images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" />. Archery experts found the arrows to light for dense forest use, demonstrating their specific use in those higher elevations for Ibex hunting. The lack of an intact shaft shows IT WAS REMOVED. Since Oetzi was physically incapable of doing this, and another individuals blood was found on his cape, either an opponent removed it, or he had a companion, also wounded and may have carried him a brief distance in retreat. Further searches in the area during the next melt hope to find more evidence. It's all fascinating. The gear basics are little changed, as is our sad legacy of violence.

Top
#24833 - 02/20/04 11:05 PM Re: Oetzi Update
joblot Offline
enthusiast

Registered: 02/21/03
Posts: 258
Loc: Scotland
A quick search on Google came up with this:

http://www.crystalinks.com/oetzi.html

He's probably seen better days! <img src="images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />
As for "our sad legacy of violence", I think its part of our genetic makeup. I don't even believe its limited to humans. I remember seeing wildlife programs where Lions are killing Cheatas, Hyena's are killing Hyena's, all over teraitory and food.
The frightening part is that after 10,000(?) years of civilisation and technological advancement we are still slaughtering ourselves and destroying the world around us.
Mankind can justly be proud of its achievements, but I think our final legacy, and the true test of our "humanity" lies in the state we leave our planet in.
(sorry, bit deep and philosophical <img src="images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" />)
Martin

Update: Having finished perusing the above link, I notice amongst other things the author lists herself as Psychic....
she does back herself up (partly) with some good links however.


Edited by joblot (02/21/04 12:27 AM)

Top
#24834 - 02/21/04 04:35 AM Re: Oetzi Update
pvr4 Offline
newbie

Registered: 08/18/03
Posts: 41
Loc: Will County, IL
Discovery had an interesting program called Iceman: Hunt for a Killer about the fight in the Alps. I recall something about the fact that he had bled out completely, which, in conjunction with the cold, help preserve his body more thoroughly. I just can't remember which of his wounds was the worst.

Top



Moderator:  Alan_Romania, Blast, chaosmagnet, cliff 
May
Su M Tu W Th F Sa
1 2 3
4 5 6 7 8 9 10
11 12 13 14 15 16 17
18 19 20 21 22 23 24
25 26 27 28 29 30 31
Who's Online
0 registered (), 410 Guests and 37 Spiders online.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Newest Members
axotugoc, eprep, Aaron_Guinn, israfaceVity, Explorer9
5372 Registered Users
Newest Posts
Doomsday Prep Book Recomendations
by wileycoyote
04/30/25 02:57 PM
Climber rescued TWICE on Mt. Fuji
by Ren
04/30/25 09:19 AM
The price of gold
by brandtb
04/26/25 12:29 AM
Ditching with photo and video
by Phaedrus
04/21/25 08:09 PM
Ultra Basic Airline Fare - My Personal Item
by dougwalkabout
04/13/25 10:00 PM
Newest Images
Tiny knife / wrench
Handmade knives
2"x2" Glass Signal Mirror, Retroreflective Mesh
Trade School Tool Kit
My Pocket Kit
Glossary
Test

WARNING & DISCLAIMER: SELECT AND USE OUTDOORS AND SURVIVAL EQUIPMENT, SUPPLIES AND TECHNIQUES AT YOUR OWN RISK. Information posted on this forum is not reviewed for accuracy and may not be reliable, use at your own risk. Please review the full WARNING & DISCLAIMER about information on this site.