#246111 - 05/22/12 05:14 AM
Re: Long Term Survival for the Mysophobic
[Re: lordnoble]
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Carpal Tunnel
Registered: 11/13/06
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Maybe I'm just dense, but I don't see the problem with the hand sanitizer bottle. You find you need to sanitize your hands, so you pull out your squeeze bottle of hand sanitizer, squeeze some into your one hand and put the bottle back in it's stored location with the other. You then rub sanitizer between hands resulting in sanitized hands. The next time you reach for the bottle, your hands will be contaminated anyway, right? Did I get it or did I miss something? Come to think of it, you are right. If the bottle has a designated location, then there is no cross contamination. Jeanette Isabelle
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#246112 - 05/22/12 05:16 AM
Re: Long Term Survival for the Mysophobic
[Re: Jeanette_Isabelle]
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I am not so sure that I want to feed phobias. I've spent a lifetime trying to conquer mine. Thankfully with some fair degree of success . But, the problem could be effectively solved with a 3oz. Hand sanitizer bottle. Just take an extra large dollop to clean your hands and use the excess to rub down the bottle, cleansing it thereby . May not be up to hospital standards, but, as they say, it's good enough.
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#246141 - 05/22/12 06:24 PM
Re: Long Term Survival for the Mysophobic
[Re: paramedicpete]
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For the most part (there are a few exceptions), hand sanitizers are window dressing at best and can be detrimental by killing normal skin flora that help prevent pathogenic (disease causing) organisms from becoming established. Dr. Brent Blue uses VioNex® No Rinse Gel. Is this one of the exceptions you have mentioned? Jeanette Isabelle
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#246142 - 05/22/12 06:30 PM
Re: Long Term Survival for the Mysophobic
[Re: MDinana]
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You do realize, however, that the area past your wrists (or where ever you stop washing) is just as contaminated as that bottle, right? Right. I am using my hands, not the rest of my arms, to handle objects. I am not transferring contaminates with my arms. Jeanette Isabelle
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#246147 - 05/22/12 07:11 PM
Re: Long Term Survival for the Mysophobic
[Re: paramedicpete]
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Pooh-Bah
Registered: 09/15/05
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Loc: California
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Jeanette,
I think those of us who have been around ETS long enough know that Pete knows what he's talking about when it comes to germs. However, I hope you realize that Pete's approval of that particular brand does not mean that you end up with squeaky clean, sterile hands. I hope I don't come across too strongly because I know you said you're kind of phobic about this and sometimes factual arguments rub people the wrong way when it comes to these habits, but I don't want you to come away from this thread with incorrect information either.
In real world use, all hand sanitizers are going to leave behind a lot of critters, including the same critters that you seem to be worried about cross-contaminating yourself with from the bottle. At best, the hand sanitizer will reduce the number of bacteria. Worst case, the alcohol is ineffective at killing the particular strain of "bad" bacteria on your hands, and repeated use of hand sanitizers can increase the bacteria count on your hands.
As Pete was mentioning, you're killing off the trillions of so-called "good" or benign bacteria that cover every square inch of our bodies with the hand sanitizer. Those bacteria physically crowd out "bad" bacteria or create an environment (like a certain skin pH) that is not conducive to the growth of "bad" bacteria. It's like when you take a course of antibiotics. It wipes out "good" bacteria along with the "bad" ones in your gut, leaving yeasts or stray antibiotic-resistant bacteria a wide open field to multiply in unchecked.
Hand santizer also strips the protective skin oils which also normally traps bacteria underneath it (the oils can also inhibit the growth of bacteria).
Ultimately, it's a healthy immune system that keeps us from getting sick from these critters. Now, if the thought of any bacteria on your hands is what bothers you, well, I don't know what to say about that. You can't avoid them. Like I said, it's normal that we're totally covered in them.
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