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#244846 - 04/13/12 07:11 AM Need another backup (all purpose) knife
Chisel Offline
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For a few weeks now, I am looking for a backup knife that has a stright edge ( around 4 inch) , a serrated back , and a chisel tip . It should serve as knife, make-shift saw, and a small prybar. A dive knife seems logical choice except for that line-cutting hook that almost literally split the blade in two parts.



I hate that hook.
So, here are my questions:

Q1 : Is there a dive knife with all of the above except the hook ???

Q2 : What do you think of this choice , and can you think of a better choice with the same , or more , capabilities ???

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#244848 - 04/13/12 10:52 AM Re: Need another backup (all purpose) knife [Re: Chisel]
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When diving, that line cutting hook is very handy, especially in waters where scrap fishing line is present. I doubt that it significantly affects the strength of the knife. The biggest issue with all the dive knives I have used is that they are pretty poor knives, but I am not familiar with recent products.

My choice for a "sharpened pry bar" is a County Comm product, their EOC mini breaker bar (a larger version is also available), combined with any of several knives. I use the knife for cutting, and the breaker bar for bashing, prying, and other rough uses. Since my knife is usually a multi-tool, either a Wave or Blast, I have a very decent, but small, saw available for anything 2x4 size or smaller.
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#244849 - 04/13/12 10:55 AM Re: Need another backup (all purpose) knife [Re: Chisel]
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The problem with dive knives is usually that the steel is very stainless and therefore doesn't hold an edge very well, in my experience.

If you really want a flat pry tip and serrations - some of the CRKT offerings have this or

http://www.heinnie.com/Boker-Plus-Divers-Knife/p-0-0-7319/

might be worth considering

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#244853 - 04/13/12 01:06 PM Re: Need another backup (all purpose) knife [Re: hikermor]
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I agree with about the county comm preacher bar but I want the tip to be a compromise between a knife tip and a chisel, not a full width like the county comm bar.

This knife is needed as backup , so it maybe the last thing I have and should handle several tasks. I even wish it has a full tang and metal butt so I can use it as a chisel if need be.

In addition, the other side of a dive knife is serrated, the prybar is not.

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#244854 - 04/13/12 01:10 PM Re: Need another backup (all purpose) knife [Re: bigreddog]
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The poker plus seems to be serrated both sides. One side is fine serrations, the other side coarse serrations.

The knife I am looking for is a backup, in case I have to give it to someone else, or maybe I have lost my knife and need one thing to do many tasks. So, it has to have a stright edge, plus other features.

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#244855 - 04/13/12 03:06 PM Re: Need another backup (all purpose) knife [Re: Chisel]
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Except for the size, the CRKT Razel SS7 seems pretty close to what you are looking for (it has a 7.5" blade).

They have smaller versions of the Razel, but they don't seem to have the serrated back.

I don't have any experience with these knives so I can't say how well they work.
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#244864 - 04/13/12 05:12 PM Re: Need another backup (all purpose) knife [Re: Denis]
Chisel Offline
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Thanks Denis

This razel actually answers another one of my wishes. It seems to be full tang with a metal butt for hammering it .... like a chisel would be hammered. However, that "can opener" thing at the butt makes me nervous. It is an accident waiting to happen.

Plus , off course, the 7.5 inch blade is too long for me.

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#244865 - 04/13/12 05:25 PM Re: Need another backup (all purpose) knife [Re: Chisel]
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Yes, their Ringed Razel is closer to the size you're looking for, but unfortunately doesn't have those same serrations on the back side:

If the chisel tip wasn't required, something like the SOG Team Leader Survivor might work for you, or maybe one of the SOG Revolvers?

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Edited to add:

Thinking about this a little more, as a back-up & possibly only tool I don't think you'd go wrong with something like Wenger's RangerGrip 78. I have an older version of this knife and I don't think you'd be doing bad if this was the only tool left in your toolbox.



Edited by Denis (04/13/12 05:34 PM)
Edit Reason: Additional thoughts ...
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#244879 - 04/13/12 06:40 PM Re: Need another backup (all purpose) knife [Re: hikermor]
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I disagree Hikermor. First the line cutter does weaken the blade. And second this is like when someone asks me for a skull crusher on a knife. You can cut lines with the sharpened or serrated edge of your knife. Just my humble opinions.

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#244897 - 04/14/12 12:23 AM Re: Need another backup (all purpose) knife [Re: ]
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The key word is "significantly;" I would agree that by creating a line cutter, you have reduced the cross sectional area of the blade, but there is still plenty of steel left. I wonder how many blades have actually broken at the line cutter?

Doing SAR in monofilament infested waters, and working underwater, i found a line cutter really useful. In fact I took a cheap parong knife, cut off the blade squarely about an inch from the handle and ground out a line cutter in the stub, so that I had a line cutting tool that I could wield at close quarters in zero visibility waters without slicing my partners. Very specialized, but useful in that application.


Edited by hikermor (04/14/12 12:28 AM)
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