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#242934 - 03/11/12 06:30 PM Alternative to lockdown for school shooter event
DaveT Offline
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Registered: 08/15/03
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Loc: NE Ohio
Many of you may have heard about the recent school shooting in Northeast Ohio (Chardon).

http://blog.cleveland.com/metro/2012/02/at_least_4_students_hurt_in_sh.html

I live within an hour of Chardon, and I wanted to address the strategy of the school lockdown as a one-size-fits all response to an active shooter.

I have a friend who's a Kent State University police officer, and last fall I sat in on a class he teaches to incoming freshmen. The acronym is ALICE, which stands for (Alert, Lockdown, Inform, Counter, Evacuate).

As they say in the class, rather than a cookie cutter lockdown response, they try to teach things that are common sense, but not common knowledge.

There were several things I came away with from the class that really struck me. At one point, the instructor asked by show of hands how many people had practiced classroom lockdown drills in their school career. Every student in attendance raised their hands. There's an entire generation of people who have had it drilled in and repeated to them since their first school experience that in the situation of an active shooter, their job is to sit very quietly. That was disturbing to me.

Another eye-opening thing to me was the time he spent breaking down the results of the Virginia Tech shooting. I thought I'd read a lot of the coverage about what happened there, but I've never heard it explained step by step how things went down. Once the shooting started, some rooms just closed the door and people stayed glued in position. Those were the rooms where the deaths and injuries were highest. In other rooms, people actively resisted - in one room, several young men laid down on the floor and braced their feet against the door to prevent him from being able to enter the room. I forget all of the specifics, but the takeaway message for me was this - active resistance caused the shooter to be thwarted and to move on, while passive inaction allowed the maximum number of people to be shot.

I'm one for analogies, and to me, it makes me think of 9/11. Some of the rooms were more like the first plane to crash into the WTC - people did exactly what was the conventional wisdom for dealing with terrorists up until that point - they sat still and did as they were told. But on United Flight 93, the passengers assessed the situation, gathered the information they could, thought for themselves and came up with an active defense strategy that they put into action. It stopped the plane from crashing into its intended target and came close to allowing them to overwhelm all the terrorists. At Virginia Tech, some rooms sat still, and others went against everything that was the conventional wisdom they'd been trained to do since they began their school careers. They came up with a plan on the fly - perfect plan? No. But effective, and life-saving.

The class was about an hour and a half, I think - but I didn't see any bored or fidgeting teens or 20-somethings. One of the things I liked a lot about it was that it wasn't black-and-white, here's the appropriate response to any situation. He laid out what your priorities are if there's a shooting nearby: Are you secure where you are? Can you secure the room and make it so no one can enter? How could you do that? What could you improvise to make it impossible - or at least difficult - for someone to enter? He gave ideas, suggestions on how to improvise locking the door, and left it open-ended - people could come up with other ways that could be done.

If you think the shooting's nearby but far enough away that you're not in immediate danger, maybe your best move is to leave the area. Do you have a door that leads outside? Great. Windows that face a safe direction? That's workable - figure out how to open it. Doesn't open? He has suggestions for breaking it safely, then gets people thinking about how to safely get past the glass. Are you low enough in the building that you could safely jump out the window? Think before you jump.

What if someone's shot? How do you stop bleeding? What's something you could improvise as a bandage? (sanitary napkins, paper towels, gym clothes you might have in a backpack). What are some things you could use as a tourniquet if the bleeding won't stop with direct pressure? (belt, shoelaces). How could you barricade the door if you can't lock it? (move heavy furniture in front of it, or make a huge pile of all the chairs, tables and desks right in front of it). What if a gunman is trying to enter the room you're in despite locking/barricading? (get everyone in the room to start making a huge noise - yell, scream - sound like he's walking into a fight). What if he comes in anyway? (Throw whatever you have at his face - difficult to keep a good sight picture on someone if you have 15-40 people throwing a nonstop barrage of random items at your head).

Another incident in the news that he talked about was the Gabrielle Giffords shooting, and how it wasn't a team of SWAT officers who stopped the gunman, but a retiree and another guy who tackled him, and a grandmother who reached into the fray and pulled a magazine away from him as he tried to make a magazine change.

He showed how the two smallest women in the room could take someone down, and how a determined man can get up with three people sitting rather haphazardly on his back, but a little bit of the right leverage makes it nearly impossible for him to get up.

I think the word empowering is overused, but I think that's what the class was. It got people thinking...it's the kind of thing that will get people to put their heads up and look around a bit more. Where's another exit out of this room? Why am I suspicious of that guy?

The lockdown only mentality is teaching our kids to sit quietly and wait to be shot. My friend says ask a cop what they tell their own kids to do if there's an active shooter in their school -- it's not to sit and wait.

As I said earlier, the particular protocol taught at KSU is called ALICE, and the company that trains that method is at this website.
http://www.roseminars.com/

However, I'm pretty sure the good ideas and proactive methods are not exclusively found there. In an article in response to the shooting, the Otterbein University police chief laid out a similar strategy in this Fox news story about the shooting: http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/02/ ... -shooting/

The Otterbein officer didn't mention the program by name, and it's quite likely that he teaches something with a different acronym. What seems vital to me is not the name of the program, but the elements that are in it.

Some of the resistance I've seen and heard brought up is that we can't teach and expect young children to suddenly become Navy SEALs and take down armed men with their bare hands. As it's been explained to me, the training is tailored to be age appropriate to the audience - there won't be video of the Columbine killers taunting their victims shown in preschools, and no one's expecting little kids to bodyslam a gunman. But in fire drills, we don't train kids to sit quietly in their seats and wait to be carried out of the room to safety individually by firemen when they arrive - we have taught kids how to play an active role in their own safety. I think effective response to an active shooter also requires students to be active participants in their own safety - run if necessary, hide if they're in a safe location, etc.

I wonder how much of schools' insistence on clinging to the lockdown-only protocol has more to do with inertia and keeping an orderly drill procedure in place.

After attending the class last fall, I meant to call my local school district and recommend that they adopt ALICE training. Shame on me for letting it just remain a good intention. The day after the Chardon shooting I called our school's superintendent to talk to him about this, and to his credit, he said they had already several weeks before the Chardon shooting set up a meeting to be briefed on adopting the ALICE training. I think it's a really powerful step in the right direction. I think that training like this can and will be way more effective than metal detectors ever could be. And it's something that each person who undergoes the training will take with them wherever they go - because while active shooter incidents are still as rare as (or rarer than) lightning strikes, they can happen anywhere - the training will go with you to the mall, the BMV, wherever -- the metal detectors won't.

I would urge you to make contact with your local school system, find out what their plans and procedures are for active shooter incidents, and if it's a lockdown only response, to suggest/urge/demand that they look into ALICE training - or training by any other name that follows the same basic strategy of getting people to think and act instead of just sit.

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#242947 - 03/11/12 08:59 PM Re: Alternative to lockdown for school shooter event [Re: DaveT]
LesSnyder Offline
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Registered: 07/11/10
Posts: 1680
Loc: New Port Richey, Fla
if you plan to contact your school officials, I offer a list of topics for discussion

1. communication...
administration to classroom...PA announcement, closed circuit TV, classroom phone
classroom to administration...secure means to report potential problem or suspicion... other than classroom phone
dispersed students and teachers during building evacuation events to administration and health professionals
to parents when the news helicopter shows up overhead, and the 911 and school switchboard is jammed
alternate phone contact first responders or SWAT other than 911

2. securing classrooms
supply material to impede door opening...wedges for inward opening doors, and bracing and cordage for outward opening exterior doors
blackout curtains
visual notification of any assistance needed
positioning of students within classroom

3. building evacuations
orderly evacuation with awareness of possible active shooter from a sniper position
backpack policy in case of bomb threat
comminications for routine events... cell phone tree, hand held 2.7GHz cordless phones, FRS handhelds
availability of water
availability of shelter for severe allergy/bee sting

4. medical
remote prepositioning of mass casualty trauma supplies
ready access to student health emergency cards
available nurse, CPR responder, Defibrilator,wheelchair

5. first responders... remote access lockbox for floor plans, DVD of access way, phone plan, master room keys

I was on our schools emergency management committee and helped rewrite the plan after the Columbine tragedy..you will be fighting a bureaucracy that resists change

start with the topic of communication... it typically does not go both ways





Edited by LesSnyder (03/11/12 09:14 PM)

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#242964 - 03/12/12 01:18 AM Re: Alternative to lockdown for school shooter event [Re: DaveT]
Eugene Offline
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Registered: 12/26/02
Posts: 2998
Sitting and doing nothing is the normal teaching. "if your being robbed, don't fight back, hand them what they want,its not worth loosing your life over" etc. "if your being raped, don't try to fight back or you may get killed"
The main issue IMHO with those teachings is the person doing the robbing/hijacking/shooting/etc is they are operating of a different moral level than us. Something in their head says that what they are doing is ok, or is justified. So how are we as a victim to know that it will stop there if we do comply or don't fight back. They have already crossed the ok/not ok line so how can you tell where they draw their line. How do you know that they won't still kill you as a witness to the lessor crime if you don't do anything to stop them.

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#242984 - 03/12/12 12:04 PM Re: Alternative to lockdown for school shooter event [Re: DaveT]
ILBob Offline
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Registered: 02/05/10
Posts: 776
Loc: Northern IL
For some reason it has become acceptable for "authorities" to give really bad advice out as long as it is PC.

The idea of non-resistance to aggression seems to have come from some of the eastern religions and worked OK for Gandhi, but he was up against a mostly moral, rational, and ethical opponent.

These nut cases are not moral, ethical, or rational, nor are street thugs.
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#242988 - 03/12/12 12:30 PM Re: Alternative to lockdown for school shooter event [Re: ILBob]
Bingley Offline
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Registered: 02/27/08
Posts: 1582
Originally Posted By: ILBob
The idea of non-resistance to aggression seems to have come from some of the eastern religions and worked OK for Gandhi, but he was up against a mostly moral, rational, and ethical opponent.


Hunh? Are you sure about this? Using non-violent civil disobedience to resist an imperialist power is something entirely different from personal self-defense. Try to rob some people at a Hindu temple, and you'll be fed a lot of knuckle sandwiches. My guess is that the "play dead" directive has something to do with American legal culture. The school doesn't want to get sued if the students get hurt trying to do something that the school has trained them to do, like climbing out the window to get away. I seriously doubt anybody in the American education system cares or knows anything about Eastern religion. I'm just guessing, but perhaps someone involved in training for active shooter scenario can tell us...

I think a lot of people will protest your characterization of the largest empire that the world has ever seen as "moral, rational, and ethical." Alright, perhaps rational for the most part. But you don't get to be the biggest empire without spilling tons of innocent blood. This forum is probably not the right place to discuss history, though.

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#243012 - 03/12/12 07:49 PM Re: Alternative to lockdown for school shooter event [Re: Bingley]
ireckon Offline
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Registered: 04/01/10
Posts: 1629
Loc: Northern California
The official policy is neutered, and it must stay that way. There is no other choice. First off, the official policy for students must operate under the assumption that each student has below average physical and mental abilities. Otherwise, the powers-that-be would be setting themselves up for a plethora of lawsuits. The school system would lose in court and would go even further into the red, not a good thing for either side.

Further, the path was set awhile ago when schools were designated as gun-free zones. You cannot have that law while also having a policy of aggression against a gunman. You cannot remove the most suitable means for responding to an aggressive gunman, and then also describe a manner in which a student should respond aggressively against the gunman. The powers-that-be would be speaking out of both sides of their mouth and instructing students, via keyboard pounding, on how to be superhuman.

Notice in some videos of Virginia Tech armed cops are cautiously taking cover behind trees outside the building. I am not critiquing them. I am saying that if their official policy was to sit and wait, then they cannot expect anything more from unarmed students.

Unofficially, the students can take it upon themselves to respond aggressively against a gunman. However, the powers-that-be cannot officially endorse such plans due to reasons stated above.
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#243016 - 03/12/12 09:51 PM Re: Alternative to lockdown for school shooter event [Re: Eugene]
sheldon Offline
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Registered: 07/28/11
Posts: 40
Originally Posted By: Eugene
How do you know that they won't still kill you as a witness to the lessor crime if you don't do anything to stop them.

I thought it was just statistics. We cannot be sure they won't kill us, but statistically it is unlikely, as a lot of people are getting robbed and let go unharmed. In contrast, a larger fraction of people who resist get harmed. At least that's what they told us the rationale was.

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#243053 - 03/13/12 02:07 PM Re: Alternative to lockdown for school shooter event [Re: Bingley]
ILBob Offline
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Registered: 02/05/10
Posts: 776
Loc: Northern IL
Originally Posted By: Bingley
[quote=ILBob]
I think a lot of people will protest your characterization of the largest empire that the world has ever seen as "moral, rational, and ethical." Alright, perhaps rational for the most part. But you don't get to be the biggest empire without spilling tons of innocent blood. This forum is probably not the right place to discuss history, though.


The British Empire acted under its own system of ethics, morality and law though. The point is that there was a system in place that restrained their behaviour. There is no such system for lunatics and criminals.
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#243151 - 03/14/12 10:33 PM Re: Alternative to lockdown for school shooter event [Re: DaveT]
duckear Offline
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Registered: 03/01/04
Posts: 478
Most .gov advice is to make their job easier and has nothing to do with your safety.

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