#242524 - 03/06/12 08:51 AM
Rethinking tin foil
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As much as I like Doug's PSP the first thing I usually do is remove the aluminum foil from the package. My thinking is that it takes a lot of space and isn't all that useful to boil water in. And I'm unlikely to be without a steel water bottle. But I have to admit, lately I'm reconsidering the importance and utility of tin foil as a survival item. The main reason? Fire.
So many times the ground is wet or uneven. I've realized just how huge it is to have even a 2" square of foil to collect fatwood shavings or shelter a cotton ball from the snow or wet. It's really nice if you're trying to keep your potassium permanganate in a pile long enough to get it mixed with glycerine.
A bit of foil is also pretty useful as a windscreen, not just for stoves but for keeping that initial tinder pile going.
Probably no revelation for most people, but a sublte realization on my part that foil is handier than I though.
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#242526 - 03/06/12 11:06 AM
Re: Rethinking tin foil
[Re: Phaedrus]
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I routinely use it a a wind and heat shield with either a stove or a fire. It vastly improves the efficiency.
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#242531 - 03/06/12 12:12 PM
Re: Rethinking tin foil
[Re: Phaedrus]
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I just dig it to "contain" things. Most brands of foil nowadays are too thin to cook in "Boy Scout style" in a fire. But it holds up long enough to get a fire going on top.
That said, I still do remove the foil from my Ritter PSP and just put a small amount back in. I'd rather use the room for a small LED light, water sanitizing tabs, firesteel, etc.
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#242542 - 03/06/12 03:02 PM
Re: Rethinking tin foil
[Re: Phaedrus]
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I never really thought much about it as I do not have a PSP.
I think if I needed space to add something like a small light, the foil would probably stay and the fishing kit and scalpel blade would go.
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#242543 - 03/06/12 03:38 PM
Re: Rethinking tin foil
[Re: Phaedrus]
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A bit of foil is also pretty useful as a windscreen, not just for stoves but for keeping that initial tinder pile going. You're quite right. My favorite tinder is the cotton ball soaked (but not too much) in petro jelly then pulled apart. I have found that once it's burning some of the jelly liquifies and runs into the ground, wasted. A bit of foil underneath keeps that liquified jelly at hand and the whole thing burns longer. A piece of foil shaped to be underneath and around the tinder adds a windbreak, too. The late Gene Ward packaged the petro jelly tinder in foil packets for these reasons.
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#242620 - 03/07/12 02:08 PM
Re: Rethinking tin foil
[Re: Phaedrus]
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I have also tried to use the tin foil as a water tight container for boiling and never had much luck. I do keep it in the PSKs just for the purposes you guys have identified.
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#242785 - 03/09/12 12:39 PM
Re: Rethinking tin foil
[Re: ILBob]
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I never really thought much about it as I do not have a PSP.
I think if I needed space to add something like a small light, the foil would probably stay and the fishing kit and scalpel blade would go. Yeah, you're right. The funny thing is I've not removed the fishing gear from mine! ![blush blush](/images/graemlins/default/blush.gif) Mostly unnecessary for fishing but I figured the pins might be handy. I should pour thru the fishing kit carefully see if I should ditch it altogether.
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#244208 - 04/01/12 01:22 AM
Re: Rethinking tin foil
[Re: Phaedrus]
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Registered: 01/09/09
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I use heavy duty foil as a cover for my GSI and canteen cups. I also like to cook trout in it over a fire.
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#244217 - 04/01/12 06:13 AM
Re: Rethinking tin foil
[Re: Phaedrus]
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If one takes the time to re-configure a Doug Ritter psk,one will find that instead of subtracting from the kit,(as every piece in there was Extremely well thought out to begin with)there will be Plenty of room for additional items.Another foil tip:In lieu of coffee or other substances used to stay awake,roll a small piece of foil into a ball,& put it in your mouth & roll it around like a Lifesaver/Lozenge,it will keep you alert for sometime,Indeed!Foil is too Universal to discard!
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#244219 - 04/01/12 06:19 AM
Re: Rethinking tin foil
[Re: Phaedrus]
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Carpal Tunnel
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I agree that the PSK is a terrific small survival kit. It's cool that the bag does have room for a few more items. I can fit a small water bag in there as well as a few chlorine dioxide tablets. I've even got a small ferro rod & striker to fit in the bag without difficulty.
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#244235 - 04/01/12 08:34 PM
Re: Rethinking tin foil
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Another foil tip:In lieu of coffee or other substances used to stay awake,roll a small piece of foil into a ball,& put it in your mouth & roll it around like a Lifesaver/Lozenge,it will keep you alert for sometime,Indeed!Foil is too Universal to discard! That sounds super-yucky.
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#244236 - 04/01/12 08:47 PM
Re: Rethinking tin foil
[Re: Phaedrus]
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Registered: 11/19/09
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I just dig it to "contain" things. Most brands of foil nowadays are too thin to cook in "Boy Scout style" in a fire. But it holds up long enough to get a fire going on top. Walmart brand heavy-duty aluminum foil is still thick enough to be useful. It's pretty much the only foil I buy now. Foil is also useful for RF-protective headgear. ![smile smile](/images/graemlins/default/smile.gif) (check .sig).
Edited by Mark_M (04/01/12 08:49 PM)
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#244261 - 04/02/12 03:39 AM
Re: Rethinking tin foil
[Re: Monk]
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Has anyone tried this 36 Gauge Foil to see if it will hold water if formed into a cup or bowl and placed over a fire?
There's been a number of posts in the last few years that indicate that none of the heavy duty aluminum foil made at this time will hold water (hot or cold) without leaking except for pie pan thickness foil.
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