#242436 - 03/04/12 12:30 PM
Re: Making fire in the rain: best practices?
[Re: dweste]
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Pooh-Bah
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I don't have my list in front of me, but I think potassium permanginate is on Homeland Security's watch list of precursor chemicals...might be a little harder to find now days...I used it for a reaction rate demonstration for chem classes...go with the smallest crystals if you can find it
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#242445 - 03/04/12 04:45 PM
Re: Making fire in the rain: best practices?
[Re: dweste]
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Registered: 08/17/09
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Loc: Central Oregon
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Check Peter Kummerfeldt's blog. He has a short post on this topic. www.outdoorsafe.blogspot.comHis post was written after a soggy day training an Oregon SAR team in the Coast Range. Blake
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#242463 - 03/04/12 10:50 PM
Re: Making fire in the rain: best practices?
[Re: bacpacjac]
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Registered: 12/14/09
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Loc: Nothern Ontario
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This thread reminds me that the big ol pine tree in my backyard is patiently waiting for me to come out and collect some more pine pitch. It takes a flame really well, helps the tinder and kindling get going, and a small film canister full weighs next to nothing and takes up very little space.
Bacpacjac is on the right track. Tree pitch makes for a very hot burning fire starter. In my area of the world, there is certainly no shortage of it anywhere, anytime of year. In cold wet weather, which is currently typical, I have more faith in pitch then many other more modern materials. A film canister of pitch will last for many fires even under the most demanding weather conditions and is easy to replenish without a trip to a store or having to re-purchase from an internet site... The pics were taken in last, mid summer.
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#242495 - 03/05/12 06:00 PM
Re: Making fire in the rain: best practices?
[Re: dweste]
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Pooh-Bah
Registered: 04/01/10
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Loc: Northern California
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ethanol-based fire gel in a tube (various brands) http://survival.atactv.com/?mediaId=900I guess that's the same thing as hand sanitizer (?). Apparently, you can get wet wood going with a ferro rod and this stuff. If that's true (I haven't tried), then that's one thing petroleum jelly can't do easily.
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#242501 - 03/05/12 09:54 PM
Re: Making fire in the rain: best practices?
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Registered: 03/03/09
Posts: 745
Loc: NC
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A piece of innertube about 1 inch square. Light one corner, put under tinder. All done.
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#242502 - 03/05/12 10:05 PM
Re: Making fire in the rain: best practices?
[Re: JBMat]
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Loc: SOCAL
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A piece of inner-tube can get the fire going initially, like any good tinder -- the trick is in having the foresight to bring/collect along the way tinder AND THEN having a supply of (do I need to say dry) fuel to continue the fire after the tinder has done its job. You need enough dry fuel to get the fire hot enough to dry the wet fuel that will surely follow. In the rain some fuel will be wet.
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#242504 - 03/05/12 10:30 PM
Re: Making fire in the rain: best practices?
[Re: JBMat]
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Registered: 11/26/07
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Loc: Northern Canada
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A piece of innertube about 1 inch square. Light one corner, put under tinder. All done. So it's pouring rain and all you have to do is whip out a 1 inch piece of inner tube,light one corner and toss it under your tinder ? I guess I need to go back to the drawing board because it's never been as simple as that for me. I must have been doing something wrong all these years. Are you lighting the innertube with napalm ?
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#242507 - 03/06/12 12:19 AM
Re: Making fire in the rain: best practices?
[Re: dweste]
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Pooh-Bah
Registered: 04/01/10
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Loc: Northern California
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Just to be precise, an inner tube will not ignite from a spark from a ferro rod. (Thank God.) So, if you go out to the rain with only a ferro rod and an inner tube while everything else is wet, you will have major difficulties getting a flame going. However, an inner tube is good fuel if you already have a flame. (Please don't inhale the smoke.) This issue reminds me that it's important to practice beforehand and not to take any stage of fire starting for granted.
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