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#241137 - 02/14/12 07:51 PM Re: AVIATION SURVIVAL KITS. WHAT'S THE POINT. [Re: ]
Russ Offline
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Registered: 06/02/06
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Not to echo unimogbert too loudly, but you keep referring to "here" which is rather meaningless when know one knows where "here" is. Further, you are making a general "no one survives" comment when we know for a fact that people do survive.
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Okay, what’s your point??

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#241139 - 02/14/12 08:01 PM Re: AVIATION SURVIVAL KITS. WHAT'S THE POINT. [Re: paramedicpete]
Snake_Doctor
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Hi Pete. Thanks for the input. And the AR was purchased for my former line of work, not as a survival tool.

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#241141 - 02/14/12 08:06 PM Re: AVIATION SURVIVAL KITS. WHAT'S THE POINT. [Re: Russ]
Snake_Doctor
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I have yet to see one report of a single survivor. And my location is my business alone. I have not asked one single person for thier location. If desert and southwest is not enough for one to have a general idea that's not my problem. I'm not being rude, i'm being security concious. I had a problem with an internet stalker who decided to visit me irl a few years ago. Fortunately I was gone when she arrived but she did a lot of damage. So I am cautious when people push to pin point my location. I'm sorry if that offends some.

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#241143 - 02/14/12 08:10 PM Re: AVIATION SURVIVAL KITS. WHAT'S THE POINT. [Re: NightHiker]
Snake_Doctor
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My idea is the big kit on the plane. I always believe in carrying a PSK in any sort of travel. Mr. Ritters PSK is a good start. Thanks for the thoughtful reply.

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#241145 - 02/14/12 08:27 PM Re: AVIATION SURVIVAL KITS. WHAT'S THE POINT. [Re: ]
chaosmagnet Offline
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Carpal Tunnel

Registered: 12/03/09
Posts: 3842
Loc: USA
The tone needs to be improved in this thread.



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#241147 - 02/14/12 09:04 PM Re: AVIATION SURVIVAL KITS. WHAT'S THE POINT. [Re: Russ]
hikermor Offline
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Loc: southern Cal
I did a quick check and one source sites a 24% survival rate during the decade just passed for passengers in an aircraft carrying ten or more. While those are not fantastic odds, they aren't hopeless, either. It seems to me you are safer flying (at least commercially) than in an automobile....

Didn't a certain commercial aircraft do an "unanticipated landing" in the Hudson River a while ago with all (138?) aboard surviving?
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#241149 - 02/14/12 09:47 PM Re: AVIATION SURVIVAL KITS. WHAT'S THE POINT. [Re: ]
chaosmagnet Offline
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Registered: 12/03/09
Posts: 3842
Loc: USA
Originally Posted By: Snake_Doctor
I have yet to see one report of a single survivor.


I personally have survived a crash landing of a small aircraft. It was a Cessna 210 with a STOL kit, full up with six people, them being the pilot, my parents, my siblings and myself. The bird got bent but we all walked away from it. This was almost thirty years ago on a dirt airstrip.

Other than my Leatherman PST (my first multitool and a treasured keepsake now) and a few bottles of water, we were utterly unprepared for being stranded eighty miles from the nearest paved road. Fortunately the purpose of the flight was to visit someone and with his help we were able to get back to where we were staying on the same day.

Statistically, General Aviation is very safe, comparing very favorably with highways, but less safe than scheduled commercial flights. GA seems to be roughly even with train travel from my few minutes of googling.

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#241196 - 02/15/12 03:52 AM Re: AVIATION SURVIVAL KITS. WHAT'S THE POINT. [Re: ]
Snake_Doctor
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I agree with carrying PSG. My survival is my responsibility. And a glance at my gear would make one think I'm a pyro. Thanks for the input.

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#241197 - 02/15/12 03:57 AM Re: AVIATION SURVIVAL KITS. WHAT'S THE POINT. [Re: chaosmagnet]
Snake_Doctor
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I spoke with some of our local pilots this afternoon, just to be fair, and they all agreed they had not seen a news report with survivors. One even called two others with the same results. Now they are wondering about this themselves. Thier best guesses were inadequate maintence, pilot error and fatigue. I don't know, but I do know that it's ground transportation for me from now on. Thanks for taking the time to look it up and get stats.

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#241200 - 02/15/12 04:08 AM Re: AVIATION SURVIVAL KITS. WHAT'S THE POINT. [Re: ]
Richlacal Offline
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Registered: 02/11/10
Posts: 778
Loc: Los Angeles, CA
Location specifics:Desert Southwest w/myriad of tweekers,ok,It's not gonna' be 29 Palms(The Stumps)that's reason enough for those who know,It's not gonna' be W.Mojave ie. China Lake/Ft.Irwin,for the same as above,so I'll have to say you'd be flying in/out of the Palmdale/Landscatter area.Personally,I'd be more wary of driving to the airport/airstrip in that AO!Flying is Fun,just squeeze yer'cheeks together& plant both feet directly beneath you,do that everytime the plane dips,& You'll be just fine!Carry a Doug Ritter psk in your front pocket,you could while away the time by taking it apart/assembling it with your eyes closed,then All of a sudden... you realize you've reached your designation,"Wow! that wasn't so bad! grin

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