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#236914 - 12/06/11 10:49 PM Working With Search and Rescue Helicopters
Exploriment Offline
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A publication from the RAF to assist people in understanding the process involved in employing Search and Rescue helicopters.

I sincerely hope no one ever needs to be winched out of some remote and inhospitable place via helicopter. But I suspect that if it were ever to befall anyone, most of us would have no idea what to do when that helicopter arrives on scene. Might be a good idea to read it now, so that if you’re ever unlucky enough to need to be rescued in this manner, you have a sense of what to do.

While it is a UK document, and certain points of procedure might be different in your part of the world, it still has lots of info that applies across the board.

And it is just an interesting document regardless.

Now to ....“get to da PDF of da rescue wits da choppa!”

http://www.mountain.rescue.org.uk/assets/files/The%20Oracle/Other%20agencies/RAF.pdf


Edited by Exploriment (12/06/11 10:52 PM)

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#236918 - 12/06/11 11:31 PM Re: Working With Search and Rescue Helicopters [Re: Exploriment]
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this looks like it has a lot of good information.

i'll have to spend some time with it later.

thanks for the post and link.
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#236919 - 12/06/11 11:33 PM Re: Working With Search and Rescue Helicopters [Re: Exploriment]
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be sure you read section 11, under recovery...let the hoist cable ground before you grab it...the rotor blades generate a tremendous electrostatic charge

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#236922 - 12/06/11 11:48 PM Re: Working With Search and Rescue Helicopters [Re: LesSnyder]
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Also very important is to avoid approaching from the rear of the ship. We had a scene some years ago where a lay bystander rushed up to the helicopter, running into the rear rotor, disabling the ship and removing his arm at the shoulder.
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#236923 - 12/07/11 12:51 AM Re: Working With Search and Rescue Helicopters [Re: Exploriment]
CANOEDOGS Offline
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it looks like they do a lot of SR with choppers in the UK,island with mountains and all.not something i would ever have to deal with,i hope,but a good read.

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#236924 - 12/07/11 02:32 AM Re: Working With Search and Rescue Helicopters [Re: LesSnyder]
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Loc: Augusta, GA
Originally Posted By: LesSnyder
...let the hoist cable ground before you grab it...the rotor blades generate a tremendous electrostatic charge


I learned that from watch The Hunt for Red October.

Blue strobes for Landing Zones (LZs) seem to be favored in the U.S., from what I understand.


Edited by ki4buc (12/07/11 02:36 AM)

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#236928 - 12/07/11 05:11 AM Re: Working With Search and Rescue Helicopters [Re: Exploriment]
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There is a lot of info there; maybe too much. Do not get me wrong; I am techni-geek who loves vast amounts of dry procedural data. But, there is a host of folks who do not suffer with my affliction. If it could be condensed for the "average Joe's" usage it would be great. I am sure the "necessary stuff" would easily fit on a single large laminated card or small flip chart. I guess the basics are also covered in a variety of survival guides/manuals/books.
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#236931 - 12/07/11 05:45 AM Re: Working With Search and Rescue Helicopters [Re: Exploriment]
Susan Offline
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Quote:
Now to ....“get to da PDF of da rescue wits da choppa!”


I'm sure that someone, somewhere, has been rescued with a Harley Davidson, but a .pdf manual on it??? grin

Sue

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#236946 - 12/07/11 07:54 AM Re: Working With Search and Rescue Helicopters [Re: MoBOB]
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Originally Posted By: MoBOB
There is a lot of info there; maybe too much. ..... If it could be condensed for the "average Joe's" usage it would be great. I am sure the "necessary stuff" would easily fit on a single large laminated card or small flip chart.....


I agree. While the linked RAF guide has some interesting stuff, it very heavily oriented to specific models of helicopter and equipment, and UK procedures. The essentials are mostly there, but it would be hard for many people to sift out the generally applicable stuff from the specific local (as in UK) procedures.

The best general short version I've seen is in the little book Field Guide of Wilderness & Rescue Medicine , By Morrissey and Johnson, published by Wilderness Medical Associates, 2009. See pages 92-93 for a nice list of key points and an illustration showing what is needed for landing zones, and how to safely approach a helicopter. I have copied out those two pages on waterproof paper and keep them in my day pack.

The Morrissey & Johnson book is oriented towards WMA's WFR training. It is pocket sized and printed on waterproof material. I keep a copy of the book in my larger first aid kit.
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#236948 - 12/07/11 02:05 PM Re: Working With Search and Rescue Helicopters [Re: Exploriment]
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Thanks for the link. While we have our own SOPs, it was an interesting document and sent it along to our Maryland State Police – Helicopter Emergency Aerial Tactical Team (MSP-HEAT Team) Coordinator to see if we can use the material in any way to enhance our training and response criteria.

Pete

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#236961 - 12/07/11 05:32 PM Re: Working With Search and Rescue Helicopters [Re: paramedicpete]
clearwater Offline
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I didn't see use of a wind sock under ground procedures.

Many helipads are on mountain tops and are windy. If one doesn't
carry a flare or smoke, one can improvise a wind sock from a large stuffsack, garbage bag or sleeping bag. This can give the
pilot a good visual aid for wind direction and speed.

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#236966 - 12/07/11 06:10 PM Re: Working With Search and Rescue Helicopters [Re: clearwater]
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The protocol I learned was to place a ground rescuer with his back to the wind, arms extended straight out. Popping smoke is much better. As I understand it, wind direction and velocity is critical information for the pilot.
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#236973 - 12/07/11 06:27 PM Re: Working With Search and Rescue Helicopters [Re: hikermor]
clearwater Offline
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Yes, and by using a wind sock held in both hands so the wind can
fill it, you naturally stand with your back into the wind.
A sock can give the pilot a general sense of velocity.

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#236974 - 12/07/11 06:31 PM Re: Working With Search and Rescue Helicopters [Re: Susan]
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Originally Posted By: Susan
Quote:
Now to ....“get to da PDF of da rescue wits da choppa!”


I'm sure that someone, somewhere, has been rescued with a Harley Davidson, but a .pdf manual on it??? grin

Sue



I will have to work on that..

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#236977 - 12/07/11 07:15 PM Re: Working With Search and Rescue Helicopters [Re: hikermor]
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Originally Posted By: hikermor
The protocol I learned was to place a ground rescuer with his back to the wind, arms extended straight out. Popping smoke is much better....

This is correct. The idea is to be a sort of human weathervane, with outstretched arms indicating the direction the wind is blowing. Stand at the upwind edge of the helispot.

Sometimes as the helicopter lands the rotar downwash can kick up dust or snow to the point of obscuring the landing spot. In this case it is important that the person marking the spot (the human weathervane) does not move, since the pilot may be using him/her as a visual reference point.

If you use something for an improvised wind sock (as suggested above), be very careful that it is well secured. If it gets loose and gets blown up into the rotars it can damage them. A good alternative to improvise a wind sock is a piece of surveyors flagging tape securely tied to a bush or tree near the helispot.
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#236988 - 12/07/11 08:26 PM Re: Working With Search and Rescue Helicopters [Re: paramedicpete]
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Originally Posted By: paramedicpete
Thanks for the link. While we have our own SOPs, it was an interesting document and sent it along to our Maryland State Police – Helicopter Emergency Aerial Tactical Team (MSP-HEAT Team) Coordinator to see if we can use the material in any way to enhance our training and response criteria.

Pete
I hope someone thanks you for doing that. If not, I will: Thanks for doing that. My brother works in the Maryland area and due to the nature of his work he may have to pulled out sometime (hopefully not).
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#237051 - 12/08/11 10:01 PM Re: Working With Search and Rescue Helicopters [Re: MoBOB]
paramedicpete Offline
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On behalf of myself and fellow teammates, you are very welcome. Our team is the only MSP-HEAT Team in the state that is totally volunteer (we have career members, but they participate on the team voluntarily) and pride ourselves that we have performed more hoist rescue operations than all of the other teams combined.

From the link MSP Sections link - Trooper 3

“The Frederick Section is the primary site for the Division’s hoist training operations. Our response area’s terrain is extremely diverse. Due to the ever-increasing recreation on the Potomac River, the Appalachian Trail and Maryland’s mountains, there are many opportunities for aerial rescues. As a matter of fact, Trooper Three has completed more hoist missions than all the other sections combined!”

I am very proud of our team and the personal satisfaction rewards are huge. I and another team member performed this rescue last winter during the huge snow storm that hit the east coast:

From Snow Stories “For the second time within 12 hours,
the Maryland State Police Aviation Command was requested to rescue a man that was snowbound at his home that was having a medical emergency. At approximately 6:30 p.m. on February 11, 2010, Trooper 3 based out of Frederick, Maryland was requested to hoist a man with a medical emergency from his snowbound home.

The victim had requested emergency services hours earlier, according to Frederick County Fire Board. Snow plows and loaders were being utilized to gain access to the patient who was located at a remote farm off of Hessong Bridge Road south of Thurmont. Due to deep snow drifts, the snowplows were not making much progress and the patient’s condition was worsening. After further evaluation of the situation, the decision was made to insert the Frederick County HEAT Team by helicopter and then hoist the patient for transport to the hospital.

Trooper 3, was requested to pick up the Frederick County Fire Department HEAT Team, and then extract the patient with the helicopter’s hoist. The crew of Trooper 3, Pilot Craig Renier, and Trooper / Flight Paramedic Lance Shank, configured the aircraft for the hoist rescue. The HEAT Team was also placed on the aircraft. After locating the residence, the area was evaluated to see if there was any place to land the aircraft. There were no feasible locations to land the aircraft. The decision to perform an aerial rescue was made.

The patient was advised by phone about what was about to unfold. Pilot Renier skillfully held the aircraft in a hover over the delivery point even though the aircraft was continually buffeted by strong gusts of wind. Trooper Shank then dropped the HEAT Team onto a snow covered driveway next to the residence. They made contact with the patient while the basket was being lowered to them. The patient was placed into the basket and Trooper Shank hoisted the basket with the victim inside to the aircraft. The patient was pulled into the aircraft and secured for transport then evaluated and treated while en route to Frederick Memorial Hospital. In less than 7 minutes the patient was delivered to the hospital for treatment.”

Still, I am humbled to think that there are service members doing what we do under fire and ask that your prayers and thoughts go out to them to keep them safe and give them the strength to complete their missions.

Pete

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