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#236269 - 11/25/11 03:20 PM Dad, do we have a fire extinguisher?
Craig_Thompson Offline
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Registered: 02/10/10
Posts: 56
Loc: SE PA United States
That gets ones attention rather quickly. (I was at the computer reading the ETS forum at the time.) (Sorry if this is long. Most certainly a few good lessons here.)

Along with a fresh turkey, we bought a goose for the Thanksgiving feast. It was not a wild goose and it was VERY fatty. Before cooking it I pulled out two fist sized globs of fat. There was still a lot more throughout the bird.

We placed it on a cookie sheet to catch the drippings. Hah! ¾” sides was not enough to hold all of the drippings.

We were using my neighbor’s grill because my grill is not operating right now. #1 son (24, smart, Eagle Scout) was in charge of cooking the goose. The grille is next to the front door. #1 put the goose in the warmed up grille and came back to our house for a few minutes. He set the alarm on his Driod to 15 minutes so he would not forget.

Good thing because when he went back there was flaming drips of fat falling onto the propane tank and splashing onto the ground. The leaves on the ground around the grille were burning.

When #1 asked for a fire extinguisher my wife very forcefully alerted the entire household as she was trained to do as a nurse. I ran from my computer without taking off my computer glasses and putting on my normal glasses. I ran to the garage where there “had” been a large dry chemical extinguisher for the past 20 years. Hmmm, not there. A minute later my wife ran to garage for that extinguisher because it has ALWAYS been there.

Since the neighbor is only 30’ away I ran there to asses the situation. Not a large fire but the burning fat dripping on the propane tank was frightening. Why was it not dripping into the cup under the grille as it is supposed to do? Decision time: do we all run away, call the fire department, probably have a tank explode before the fire truck gets there? Or do we put out the fire? Right or wrong, we fought the fire.

For starters I pulled the grille (on a wheeled stand) away from the house. My sister grabbed the small fire extinguisher from the hall next to the bedrooms. I had insisted on hanging the extinguisher out in the open where anyone could see it. That was a good decision since my visiting sister remembered seeing it there.

That small extinguisher put out most of the fire but inside the grille it was still burning. And dripping flaming fat onto the propane tank. The neighbor came out with another small dry chemical extinguisher, pulled the pin and started waving it frantically around, but not on the fire. (She is a very smart person, but the excitement impaired her thinking.) Before I could stop her, the extinguisher was half empty.

The neighbor’s garden hose is on the end of the house, 15’ away so I grabbed it and turned it on. Normally it is not recommended to use water on a liquid fire but in this case I needed to keep the propane tank cool, the volumetric flow of fat was very low and the grille was now sitting on an area that any flow could be diverted away from the grille and house.

The water was keeping the tank cool but the flaming fat kept dripping. I noticed that the burners were still lit! I turned off the two burners but the fat fire would continue for a long time. I needed to turn off the propane tank valve NOW because if the rubber hose burned through there would be a flamethrower from the end of a flexible hose whipping around. That was a scary thought. I reached in and turned the valve off knowing that the hot fat was still dripping. I got the valve turned off but three drips hit my hand so I now have three small 2nd degree burns. Not serious but not preferred.

We were able to lift the goose out and let the fire inside the grille burn out while hosing off the tank.

My analysis:

1. Don’t get any more fatty geese.
2. Use a deeper pan to catch ALL the dripping fat.
3. Remove all combustible materials around the grille. (self administered dope slap)
4. Fire extinguishers need to be out in the open where they can be seen easily. They should be attached to the wall so they are ALWAYS there. I searched the house top to bottom and cannot find that large extinguisher! I have no idea where it could be.
5. Multiple extinguishers is a must.
6. Keeping your head and thinking clearly is far better than panicking. Sounds like bragging I guess, but I believe that #1 Son, wife, sister and myself continued to think clearly while the neighbor panicked.
7. It is amazing how quickly your environment can go from quiet, calm, looking forward to visiting with the family and friends to fighting for your property and life. A reminder that I need to ALWAYS be prepared…

Sorry for the long post but I am hoping others can learn from my errors.

I was certainly not properly prepared so any tongue lashings are not undeserved.

Oh, the goose was black all over but most of the meat was very tasty. Probably all the fat…

Craig T.

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#236271 - 11/25/11 03:33 PM Re: Dad, do we have a fire extinguisher? [Re: Craig_Thompson]
MarkO Offline
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Registered: 03/19/10
Posts: 137
Loc: Oregon
Wow. Glad you're ok.

My wife wouldn't do so well in a situation like that.

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#236277 - 11/25/11 03:59 PM Re: Dad, do we have a fire extinguisher? [Re: Craig_Thompson]
chaosmagnet Offline
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Registered: 12/03/09
Posts: 3842
Loc: USA
It sounds to me like you did a great job other than knowing what happened to your large fire extinguisher. In particular it sounds like you were thinking pretty clearly when you used the hose to cool the grill down and got the burners turned off.

I personally prefer to have several small ones around.

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#236279 - 11/25/11 04:40 PM Re: Dad, do we have a fire extinguisher? [Re: Craig_Thompson]
Dagny Offline
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Registered: 11/25/08
Posts: 1918
Loc: Washington, DC

Thanks for sharing that harrowing experience - vivid testament that we are all just a mishap away from a very bad day.

Sounds like you had a pretty effective team effort.

Heck of a way to add a last-second item to the "things to be thankful for on Thanksgiving" list.

I hope the rest of the holiday weekend is less dramatic.

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#236280 - 11/25/11 04:41 PM Re: Dad, do we have a fire extinguisher? [Re: Craig_Thompson]
Lono Offline
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Registered: 10/19/06
Posts: 1013
Loc: Pacific NW, USA
I'm glad it ended up well and safe for all of you. No matter what you did, you had options, and that's a good thing! Good job!

One other takeway might be to assess the placement of your grill relative to structures - alot of fires I go to result from flames shooting up from grills and turkey fryers that catch the overhanging eaves. Always grill well away from structures, it saves alot of sorrow.

No turkey fryer episodes this year, but one fairly nasty apartment fire that destroyed 6 units and affected 9 others, cause still unknown.

And our fire extinguisher extravaganza at the family dinner went really well this year, all 3 of my sisters who had never shot off an extinguisher really enjoyed putting down test fires with our older expired extinguishers. And we used it as a learning opportunity for the younger cousins - by the second fire, a small flock of 9 years old and younger were shouting "FIRE FIRE" and headed OUTSIDE the 'building', all in a clump. I don't know about you, but I don't want my nieces and nephews standing around watching mommy and daddy trying to put out a range fire. We want them OUT.

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#236282 - 11/25/11 04:47 PM Re: Dad, do we have a fire extinguisher? [Re: Craig_Thompson]
Russ Offline
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Registered: 06/02/06
Posts: 5357
Loc: SOCAL
Thanks, excellent post. Sometimes length is warranted. Good lessons learned.

Time for me to hit "the local warehouse Home hardware store" for a new fire extinguisher.
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#236286 - 11/25/11 05:12 PM Re: Dad, do we have a fire extinguisher? [Re: Craig_Thompson]
CANOEDOGS Offline
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Registered: 02/03/07
Posts: 1853
Loc: MINNESOTA
i wonder how many times a story like this could be told post Thanksgiving.good thinking and some brave moves saved the day.
my fire story is low key.i was out cooking cornbread over a camp stove and to keep warm lit a fire of old semi rotten 2x4s in one of those big fire grill things.one bit of wood hung over the spark screen.nice warm blaze,i went into the house to check on how the dinner was going and refilled the wine glass,looking out the window i saw the over hanging 2X4 burned thru and was on the ground burning leaves heaped around the garden.not a big deal but the 60 foot pine close by with branches low to the ground called for a fast exit,wine in hand,and some quick work with a rake.the water was turned off a week ago and the hose put away.
lets see if i can get the Xmas lights up today without turning it into a survival situation.....anyone else???

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#236289 - 11/25/11 05:24 PM Re: Dad, do we have a fire extinguisher? [Re: Craig_Thompson]
jzmtl Offline
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Registered: 03/18/10
Posts: 530
Loc: Montreal Canada
Funny. I just read on another forum a guy lit his duck on fire because he underestimated its fat content compare with turkey.

Seems they require careful cooking than turkey.

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#236300 - 11/25/11 11:36 PM Re: Dad, do we have a fire extinguisher? [Re: Craig_Thompson]
Arney Offline
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Registered: 09/15/05
Posts: 2485
Loc: California
Originally Posted By: Craig_Thompson
Oh, the goose was black all over but most of the meat was very tasty. Probably all the fat…

I love a happy ending! wink

Seriously, good story, and a good reminder to the rest of us. Tune in next time for the explanation of where the big extinguisher went!

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#236303 - 11/25/11 11:59 PM Re: Dad, do we have a fire extinguisher? [Re: Arney]
bacpacjac Offline
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Registered: 05/05/07
Posts: 3601
Loc: Ontario, Canada
Originally Posted By: Arney
Originally Posted By: Craig_Thompson
Oh, the goose was black all over but most of the meat was very tasty. Probably all the fat…

I love a happy ending! wink

Seriously, good story, and a good reminder to the rest of us. Tune in next time for the explanation of where the big extinguisher went!


LOL! My thoughts exactly, ut with mush better wording. wink
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#236312 - 11/26/11 03:11 AM Re: Dad, do we have a fire extinguisher? [Re: bacpacjac]
Paul810 Offline
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Registered: 03/02/03
Posts: 1428
Loc: NJ, USA
The revised housing code in our area requires each home to have a 10lb ABC rated fire extinguisher, regardless of how many smaller units you have.

After hearing about the change, I decided it was a good time to update myself to code. So I bought a 10lb unit which I mounted out in the garage. I also took the opportunity to replace the 2.5lb units that were in the kitchen, furnace room, and laundry room since they were going on 15 years old.

The only two I haven't gotten around to replacing are the ones in our cars. They're fairly new though, so I'm not really worried about 'em.

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#236313 - 11/26/11 03:58 AM Re: Dad, do we have a fire extinguisher? [Re: Craig_Thompson]
Richlacal Offline
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Registered: 02/11/10
Posts: 778
Loc: Los Angeles, CA
You know,I have to...Sounds like your Goose was almost cooked!lol!,OK,OK,I am glad to hear you came thru it,Almost unscathed! Buckets of free-flowing dry sand or Boxes of Baking Soda can put down grease flames rather quickly by it's smothering effect,Cheap,Always Available,Stores readily for years on end! Cheers! smile

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#236315 - 11/26/11 04:09 AM Re: Dad, do we have a fire extinguisher? [Re: Craig_Thompson]
Mark_M Offline
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Registered: 11/19/09
Posts: 295
Loc: New Jersey
Chemical fire extinguishers are good to have handy, but make a god-awful mess. Having worked many years in restaurants, I've learned that most fires can simply be smothered by placing a larger pan, inverted, over the fire, or by using baking soda or salt.

Recently I bought a few of those small, inexpensive aerosol cans of fire extinguisher. Reviews on them were not stellar, so I tested one on a campfire during a recent outing. I was very satisfied with the result. The cans put out a well-directed stream of chemical foam that quickly extinguished a very hot burning, medium-size campfire. The foam clung to the wood and kept it from flaring up again. If this had been a kitchen fire there would have been no cleanup necessary of any surrounding areas.

I won't be replacing my chemical extinguishers but will add some more of these small foam units in the future.
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#236355 - 11/27/11 03:50 AM Re: Dad, do we have a fire extinguisher? [Re: Craig_Thompson]
roberttheiii Offline
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Registered: 02/13/09
Posts: 395
Loc: Connecticut, USA
Great post. I recently added a fire extinguisher to my car, not so much for a car fire, but more just to have another one around. Thanks for the reminder.

R

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#236368 - 11/27/11 07:35 PM Re: Dad, do we have a fire extinguisher? [Re: Craig_Thompson]
Craig_Thompson Offline
Journeyman

Registered: 02/10/10
Posts: 56
Loc: SE PA United States
Thanks for all the responses.

Rich, I am glad someone finally said it: and yes, my goose was cooked. Almost really REALLY cooked. I was lucky.

I bought 4 new extinguishers, (3) 1xABC (gave one to the neighbor since she used hers) and (1) 3x for the garage.

I have looked all through the house and still cannot find the big one!

As I was processing this event it occurred to me that I always carry a bandana and it would have only taken a second to pull it out and put in on top of my hand as I reached in to turn off the propane tank valve, protecting my hand form dripping fat. The burns will heal ok but had this been a bug out condition, this type of burn not properly cared for could be a serious problem.

Craig T.

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#236548 - 11/30/11 02:10 AM Re: Dad, do we have a fire extinguisher? [Re: Craig_Thompson]
Susan Offline
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Registered: 01/21/04
Posts: 5163
Loc: W. WA
It think it's called 'Goose Flambé', but the chef often uses a lemon, orange or brandy sauce, rather than a chemical-rich type of coating...

I've always wondered what 'Adventure in Dining' meant. Thanks for the description!

I had to work in the roasting of the turkey between a long run and some sleep. I set the alarm clock time, but forgot to press the SET thing. The turkey was a little overdone when I blearily checked it, but the dogs didn't mind at all. A little kibble over turkey meat beats a little turkey meat over kibble, they said.

But it hadn't advanced to flames yet, and nobody got burned. Didn't even set off the smoke alarm... for once!

Now, where does cooking a goose rate in the actuarial odds? Is it in the top half or the bottom half?

I didn't hear about any turkey fryer episodes around here, either. I think the cop's son down the street laid a solid foundation for educational finger-pointing on that. At least, enough for most young men who were contemplating it to realize that you don't FILL the fryer with oil and then drop in a 30-lb turkey from a height...

Sue

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