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#235783 - 11/17/11 08:17 PM Re: Stove of the Week: The Trangia 27 [Re: MostlyHarmless]
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Originally Posted By: MostlyHarmless
Originally Posted By: Hikin_Jim
The jet (nozzle) would have to be changed for things to be efficient. Getting a set of jets wouldn't be that big of a deal.


That's my first reaction as well. Call me old fashioned, but I stick with optimization for a single fuel. I'm OK with changing nozzles, but running one fuel through a nozzle optimized for a different nozzle gives med bad vibes.

Originally Posted By: Hikin_Jim

But if you ever did some serious winter travel, you have the option of going multifuel. Pretty cool. cool


Absolutefantastically!
You're better off using the right jet for the fuel.

Using a jet that is smaller than spec for a given fuel usually works well, but you just don't get quite as high of output.

For example, if you use a gasoline jet and burn gas, it will work well, but your max BTU's/hr will be a little lower than they would be if you had used the proper jet.

The opposite is generally not true. Use the above example, but substitute kerosene. The jet will be too large, you'll get too much fuel in the air/fuel mix, and you'll get yellow (inefficient) flames.

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#235786 - 11/17/11 09:14 PM Re: Stove of the Week: The Trangia 27 [Re: Hikin_Jim]
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But wait, there's more...at no additional cost, you also get carbon monoxide! Such a deal..
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#235787 - 11/17/11 09:36 PM Re: Stove of the Week: The Trangia 27 [Re: hikermor]
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Originally Posted By: hikermor
But wait, there's more...at no additional cost, you also get carbon monoxide! Such a deal..
Yeah, that too.

Generally, using a jet with an aperture that is too large is a bad idea. Too small might drop your power output a bit, but it should still burn clean.

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#235789 - 11/17/11 09:42 PM Re: Stove of the Week: The Trangia 27 [Re: Hikin_Jim]
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So the gas burner for trangia can preheat and vaporize liquid fuel?

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#235794 - 11/17/11 11:03 PM Re: Stove of the Week: The Trangia 27 [Re: jzmtl]
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Originally Posted By: jzmtl
So the gas burner for trangia can preheat and vaporize liquid fuel?

Yes, I believe so. I'm less sure about the jets being compatible, but the gas burner should be able to vaporize liquid fuel.

Here's the burner I'm thinking of:


Notice that it has a preheat "loop". For sure it use gas with the canister inverted. I'd research it further before plunking a lot of money down, but if it's got a preheat loop, it should be able to vaporize liquid fuels like gasoline and kerosene just as it vaporizes liquefied gas.

Here's a photo from the internet of what appears to be the same burner hooked up to liquid fuel:


HJ


Edited by Hikin_Jim (11/17/11 11:10 PM)
Edit Reason: Add another photo
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#235797 - 11/18/11 12:45 AM Re: Stove of the Week: The Trangia 27 [Re: Hikin_Jim]
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Neat, I've never seen a trangia gas burner, didn't know it can do that.

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#235800 - 11/18/11 01:24 AM Re: Stove of the Week: The Trangia 27 [Re: jzmtl]
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Originally Posted By: jzmtl
Neat, I've never seen a trangia gas burner, didn't know it can do that.

Yep. Super convenient. Add the non-stick version of the pans and such, and you've got a real cook's stove.


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#235809 - 11/18/11 04:44 AM Re: Stove of the Week: The Trangia 27 [Re: Hikin_Jim]
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Looks virtually windproof too.

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#235811 - 11/18/11 05:35 AM Re: Stove of the Week: The Trangia 27 [Re: Hikin_Jim]
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Originally Posted By: jzmtl
Looks virtually windproof too.
Yes! It's the ultimate cold weather stove.

The original concept came from Gunnar Finn who produced his KAP Arctic stove which is considered by many to be the ultimate harsh weather/extreme cold stove.


The original had an Optimus 111C type burner (although I believe the 111T type burner would work as well). I believe the Swedish military used the stove for winter operations in the far north. A bit of background on the KAP Arctic.

The KAP Arctic is no longer produced, but it can be emulated by installing a kerosene or gasoline burner in a Trangia set up. The combination produces a very efficient, very windproof stove.

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#235813 - 11/18/11 05:43 AM Re: Stove of the Week: The Trangia 27 [Re: jzmtl]
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Originally Posted By: jzmtl
Looks virtually windproof too.

Oh, and when I said
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Now let's say you wanted a reliable stove. No, not just ordinary reliable, I mean reliable. Really reliable. A stove that will operate under any conditions. A stove you could leave in the trunk of your car for years, fuel it up, and it would work fine. A stove that just doesn't quit. I mean does such a thing even exist?
in the post that began this thread, yes, I was engaging in a bit of hyperbole, but the Trangia really is that reliable, particularly if run as designed (on alcohol). If you absolutely must have a stove that will work no matter what, the Trangia is that stove.

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