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#235445 - 11/10/11 05:46 PM Re: Fall Kit for Urban Hikes [Re: Andy]
chaosmagnet Offline
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Originally Posted By: Andy
According to Benadryl's web site that product has been discontinued and no other similar product is available.


Darn it. Thanks.

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#235446 - 11/10/11 05:51 PM Re: Fall Kit for Urban Hikes [Re: chaosmagnet]
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Originally Posted By: chaosmagnet
Originally Posted By: Andy
According to Benadryl's web site that product has been discontinued and no other similar product is available.


Darn it. Thanks.
+1
That sound(ed) like (it was) a good product.

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#235447 - 11/10/11 05:58 PM Re: Fall Kit for Urban Hikes [Re: Lono]
clearwater Offline
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Originally Posted By: Lono

They require a prescription in the US, but I've heard that they are available without a prescription in Canada.

In Scouts anyway we expect Scouts with allergies to bring their own epipens, and let us know where they keep them. If stung, they use the epipen themselves: the only way for anyone else to apply the epipen is if they are unconscious. Its not a matter of training, although I suppose an inexperienced adult could screw up jabbing the Scout effectively; its a matter of liability too. And you're saving a life with an epipen, so follow with benadryl, get them off the trail and to medical assistance pronto.

I wouldn't bring an epipen as a just in case thing - in case a youngun experienced suddent unexpected anaphylaxis. A child is seizing on the ground, her throat is closing up - she isn't known to be allergic, do you really know what's going on, enough to justify the epipen injection? Without any history of allergic reactions, I'd do my best to interrupt the presumed histamine / antihistamine roller coaster with benadryl, and get medical assistance pronto.


Good clarification. My experience of having an epi-pen fail to
fire makes me very careful to have a backup for any kids known
to have severe allergies. If the parents don't provide it,
the kid doesn't go. One if my friends kids goes into shock
from inhaling a bit of powdered hot cocoa.

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#235471 - 11/10/11 11:58 PM Re: Fall Kit for Urban Hikes [Re: Lono]
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Originally Posted By: Lono


I wouldn't bring an epipen as a just in case thing - in case a youngun experienced suddent unexpected anaphylaxis. A child is seizing on the ground, her throat is closing up - she isn't known to be allergic, do you really know what's going on, enough to justify the epipen injection? Without any history of allergic reactions, I'd do my best to interrupt the presumed histamine / antihistamine roller coaster with benadryl, and get medical assistance pronto.


EXCELLENT point!
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#235474 - 11/11/11 12:55 AM Re: Fall Kit for Urban Hikes [Re: bacpacjac]
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I took this kit along on a hike with my Beaver Scouts tonight. Not bad in terms of weight and comfort of carry. Added to my original list was is a bright yellow fleece vest for a little extra warmth (Temps dropped fast tonight) and a small pack of chem lights (marketed for kids so come in multiple colours and are about half the length of regular chem lights) and a red flashing light (designed for cyclists).

Other contents are:
-compass, map of route (filed with group and all parents) including local emerg numbers
-FAK with extra triangular, extra mylar sleeping bag and emerg info and contact info for all group members
-2 LED headlamps + 1 set extra batteries (kept in insert that fits in the 3XAAA flashlight I carry on my batbelt)
-wool mitts,socks and hat (brown beaver for warmth and entertainment)
-extra kids hat, mitts and socks
-extra group necker (big Scouting bandana - green and white thing)
-blaze orange rain jacket (in green stuff sack)
-heatsheet
-1Lg red garbage bag
-2 pairs chem warmers
-1L water bottle
-army canteen and cup
- 2 sesame bars
-3 pieces fruit leather
-fire kit with bic, fire steel and tinder and strike anywhere matches (kept in "survival whistle" with some QuickTinder)
-Leatherman Folder
-modified Ritter AMK PSK with SAK, keyring flashlight, mag block and mini bic
-some feminine hygiene stuff and half roll of tubeless toilet paper in ziplock bag
-personal otc meds
-hard case for prescription glasses

On body was:
-Photon II around neck
-lanyard with whistle, led, gerber mini multi-tool
-Leatherman with fire steel and AAA mag lite in sheath
-3XAAA flashlight (Nova LED with multiple settings)
-heatsheet
-blaze orange thinsulate hat
-clothing for worst case (layers, insulated rubber boots, gloves, etc.)

NEXT TIME: I need more tp or kleenex for runny noses.


Edited by bacpacjac (11/11/11 02:16 AM)
Edit Reason: Notes for next time
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#235504 - 11/11/11 04:24 PM Re: Fall Kit for Urban Hikes [Re: bacpacjac]
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Registered: 10/27/11
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Loc: New York
It's better to have an excess of supply than to lack anything, especially if you're in the wilderness. Preparedness is never regrettable. But if you forgot something or you ran out of supply on something important, it would be like hell out in the middle of nowhere...








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#235519 - 11/11/11 05:50 PM Re: Fall Kit for Urban Hikes [Re: bacpacjac]
JBMat Offline
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Loc: NC
I usually subscribe to the "tis better to have it and not need it..." school of thought. However, I have limits.

At some point being totally prepared means toting a ton of weight. Learning to do without is good, but I am not forgoing TP for leaves. But I also don't want a pack that is so heavy it detracts from the fun I am supposed to be having.

I guess it depends on where you are in relation to civilization. The farther out you go, the more you take.

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#235538 - 11/11/11 08:12 PM Re: Fall Kit for Urban Hikes [Re: JBMat]
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Originally Posted By: JBMat
I usually subscribe to the "tis better to have it and not need it..." school of thought. However, I have limits.

At some point being totally prepared means toting a ton of weight. Learning to do without is good, but I am not forgoing TP for leaves. But I also don't want a pack that is so heavy it detracts from the fun I am supposed to be having.

I guess it depends on where you are in relation to civilization. The farther out you go, the more you take.



Right on all counts JBMat. The older the get the less I want to carry.
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#235545 - 11/11/11 08:29 PM Re: Fall Kit for Urban Hikes [Re: ]
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Originally Posted By: IzzyJG99
To quote Burt Gummer...

When you don't have it and you need it, you sing a different tune.

God I love that character.


LOVE Burt!! Though I must hang my head and admit that I couldn't get through Tremors 3 the other night. I'll have to try again this weekend.

Burt, and Marvin from "Red", are 2 of my all-time favourites!
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#235549 - 11/11/11 09:18 PM Re: Fall Kit for Urban Hikes [Re: bacpacjac]
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I went over to metal water bottles, so that, if needed, I could boil water in them

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