#234671 - 10/28/11 05:39 PM
Re: What is the minimum shelter I should carry?
[Re: chaosmagnet]
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My bivy is probably a bit on the heavy side (650 grams) - but it is heavy duty. I also complement or alternate with a sturdy trash bag, a disposable rain poncho and a AMK bivy bag. I've read this thread with great interest and I have very little to add to a subject that I find very important. Just one note of caution: Don't have too high expectations of breathable materials: - Breathable materials breathe at their best when you have a temperature gradient, such as a tight fitting goretex jacket. - Even the best breathable materials are what I call "fatigued breathers". I.e. even the best materials don't really breathe nearly ENOUGH. Particular in a bivy bag setting (where the temperature gradient is much less than in a tight fitting jacket). My personal opinion is that condensation will form inside ANY waterproof bag that you wrap around you and sleep outside in chilly weather - no matter how breathable the material claims to be. Your body is at 100F and lets out a certain amount of water vapor all the time. The inside of the bivy bag is pretty close to the outside temperature. Condensation is inevitable. Personally I wouldn't bother with breathable bivy bags until they have a well proven track record for keeping you dry for prolonged periods that otherwise cause massive condensation. As always, I'm more than happy to be proven wrong
Edited by MostlyHarmless (10/28/11 05:39 PM)
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#234685 - 10/28/11 07:08 PM
Re: What is the minimum shelter I should carry?
[Re: Glock-A-Roo]
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2) an improvised tarp of some sort, like the 2-person AMK heat sheet (which is 5'x8') tied off at the corners with a sheet bend. If you have the money consider a 1-man silnylon tarp or go whole hog with a small cuben fiber tarp. Add 50 feet of Kelty Triptease cord for 1 ounce. Weight: 4 to 8 ounces (depending on fabric and size). Along these lines, I've started carrying an All Weather Emergency Blanket that measures 5 x 7 ft. It is a reasonable weight (285g), is durable and has grommets in the corners so it can be used easily as a tarp. At $15 its an affordable way to cover this need. One of the other things I like about this blanket is that it is truely reusable so it can be a regular part of my camping / backpacking gear too.
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#234700 - 10/28/11 11:06 PM
Re: What is the minimum shelter I should carry?
[Re: wileycoyote]
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So true about trying to stuff them back in once they have been used. The AMK Heatsheets Emergency Bivy, small and compact, weighing about 4 oz, can indeed be repacked, although it does take care and a certain amount of time to carefully fold it while compressing all the air out. It is part of my standard kit, along with something for a tarp and some light twine.
Another consideration when doing an emergency bivy is picking your spot with care. Moving just a few feet can make an enormous difference in exposure to wind, cooler temperatures, etc.
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#234710 - 10/29/11 05:15 AM
Re: What is the minimum shelter I should carry?
[Re: DavidEnoch]
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Registered: 02/11/10
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Unless you are a Cheetoh or a Potato Chip,I doubt very much you will get any sleep if you have to deploy an emergency mylar bag/blanket! I say keep what you have,& add a Frogg Toggs rainsuit,they are light,fairly durable at least for emergency purposes,you can see your feet while stepping around obstacles,& they are quiet,& inexpensive,If you should develop a hole/rip,the little roll of duct tape in your Doug Ritter PSK should take care of that,Lickety-split!The Best advice has been said,& I will reitterate too,Test what works for you in a docile environment,your backyard.Remember-Potato Chips love to be eaten fresh,cause' they can't Stand that noisy a$$ bag,lol!
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#234716 - 10/29/11 11:27 AM
Re: What is the minimum shelter I should carry?
[Re: Richlacal]
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Registered: 01/28/10
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Unless you are a Cheetoh or a Potato Chip,I doubt very much you will get any sleep if you have to deploy an emergency mylar bag/blanket! That explains the snoring I heard in the snack section at the market!
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#234737 - 10/29/11 08:54 PM
Re: What is the minimum shelter I should carry?
[Re: Richlacal]
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Registered: 04/16/03
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Unless you are a Cheetoh or a Potato Chip,I doubt very much you will get any sleep if you have to deploy an emergency mylar bag/blanket! Have you tested the 'space' blankets by Adventure Medical Kits? They are made of polyethylene, not mylar. They are significantly quieter and more durable.
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#234741 - 10/29/11 09:51 PM
Re: What is the minimum shelter I should carry?
[Re: wileycoyote]
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Registered: 12/18/06
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Loc: American Redoubt
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when insulation is required inside a bivi bag, i suggest a looking into a Blizzard Bag If it is an emergency, I would have to vote for the Blizzard Bag. I carry the hunter orange and a plb. I hate the idea of a search prior to the rescue. In a non-emergency, I would leave it in the pack and use the Goretex Set and the military poncho. I pack as heavy as I can stand. You won't stay in shape unless it hurts.
Edited by ponder (10/29/11 09:53 PM)
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