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#233243 - 10/04/11 08:06 PM Re: Overpopulation and Resources [Re: Jeanette_Isabelle]
Am_Fear_Liath_Mor Offline
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During the dust bowl era, American children have died of malnutrition.


American Children have died of malnutrition due to poverty.

During the dust bowl 1930s era, it was not uncommon for farmers/Government to destroy crops/food to increase the market value. The problem wasn't a lack of food, it was a lack of money supply as the bankers at the time restricted the flow of money supply into the economy due to a downwards deflationary spiral. The bankers at the time didn't have a problem seeing people starve to death with their attempts at keeping the status quo.



Edited by Am_Fear_Liath_Mor (10/04/11 08:22 PM)

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#233246 - 10/04/11 10:11 PM Re: Overpopulation and Resources [Re: Am_Fear_Liath_Mor]
hikermor Offline
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Originally Posted By: Am_Fear_Liath_Mor

During the dust bowl 1930s era, it was not uncommon for farmers/Government to destroy crops/food to increase the market value.


Citation, please?
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#233248 - 10/04/11 11:20 PM Re: Overpopulation and Resources [Re: hikermor]
Am_Fear_Liath_Mor Offline
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Citation, please?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agricultural_Adjustment_Act

or

http://www.conservapedia.com/Agricultural_Adjustment_Administration

depending on your viewpoint on history of course.

The Dust bowl was a useful historical distraction/propaganda by the US government to hide their agricultural economic policy of reducing agricultural output to keep price stability to keep the agricultural derivatives markets from melting down completely whilst people starved.

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#233255 - 10/05/11 03:53 AM Re: Overpopulation and Resources [Re: Am_Fear_Liath_Mor]
Arney Offline
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Registered: 09/15/05
Posts: 2485
Loc: California
Originally Posted By: Am_Fear_Liath_Mor
The Dust bowl was a useful historical distraction/propaganda by the US government to hide their agricultural economic policy...whilst people starved.

I'm certainly no expert on that era, but it was a different time. Charity for the poor and hungry was typically expected to come from the private sector, not the government.

Although it's true that the AAA policy was to reduce the supply of agricultural commodities, after the public uproar over the wasted 6 million slaughtered pigs, the Federal Surplus Relief Corporation was then formed to collect the surplus foodstuffs from farmers and distribute them to aid agencies. So, although reducing the supply of food on the open market on one hand, they were also dramatically increasing the supply of food distributed to the poor on the other--food that the poor would likely not get otherwise because they could not afford it.

A modern vestige of that program would be the free or reduced school lunch program in public schools, where surplus food supplies or subsidized foodstuffs are bought by the government and then distributed to needy children in our schools. In my home state of California, 55% of school age children are eligible for free/reduced school lunches. In Los Angeles County, that figure is higher, at 2 out of 3 students.

The decline in food commodities prices started before the droughts of the 30's that led to the Dust Bowl. It started sometime in the 20's when global commodity supplies were in surplus, before the stock market crash of '29 and the onset of the Great Depression. The droughts during the Dust Bowl era actually helped boost the prices that farmers could get by reducing farm output, but even then, prices were still lower than the pre-20's prices due to excess production available on world markets from other countries.

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#233257 - 10/05/11 06:49 AM Re: Overpopulation and Resources [Re: Jeanette_Isabelle]
Susan Offline
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Registered: 01/21/04
Posts: 5163
Loc: W. WA
We appear to be developing another drought and Dust Bowl problem in the same areas that it hit before. Such a coincidence.

But back to the original question...

Letting food be controlled by big business and government shouldn't be allowed by the people. The people themselves need to relearn how to grow food, but there is a fairly steep learning curve. Grow food, trade food.

If you and your neighbors can grow food of open-pollinated types, save the seed and regrow even more food, food can be multiplied. This is the way it has always been, and will always be. There are no shortcuts, no easier ways, no matter what you're told by others who have their own private agenda.

Sue

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