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#230928 - 08/29/11 02:05 PM Irene After Action Report (Long)
Jesselp Offline
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I figured I’d start a new thread for my lessons learned, to get away from the politics that invaded the other thread.

Damage in my area was sparse. We lost one small tree on my property, which actually survived the storm but fell during a wind gust Sunday afternoon. The house did lose power, but it was on again by the time I made it home around 12:30 in the afternoon, so no big deal. It looks like we may have had some water seepage, so I’m sending someone up to check out the roof this week.

I feel very good about the fact that we evacuated. I live on a barrier island, just feet above sea level. I have seen video from high tide Sunday morning, and the ocean came up over the beach and into the streets here. Just east of me, the ocean and bay met at several places in the city of Long Beach. I don’t need my young kids to be in an unstable situation like that. Additionally, no help was coming if something went wrong during the storm. All hospitals within 30 minutes of here (on a good day) were on diversion, and rescue resources had their hands full. My rescue squad was staffed for the night by one medic, one EMT, one driver, and a junior member whose family chose not to evacuate. The kid decided to ride out the storm in the CAT-5 rated firehouse rather than in his home. (Shame on his parents for not giving him a way off the island.)

I feel bad about not staying with my squad, but my wife made it very clear that my place was with the family, keeping them safe. End of discussion, and my chiefs understood. Within five minutes of returning, my pager was sounding, and I went to relieve the guys who had been working all night.

What worked:
1) We left early. I was very pleased that when the mandatory evacuation order was issued for my town, my whole family was already safe and sound in our bug-out location. While traffic never got bad (from what I understand), it was good that we were not sitting in it. I also heard isolated reports of gas stations running out of gas. My cars were full. We spent the weekend at my in-laws apartment on high ground in Brooklyn, well out of the flood zones.
2) We brought most of our irreplaceable items with us. Most - See below.
3) The house was well secured. Could be better – see below.
4) I was able to get back to survey for damage very quickly.
5) I run an independent financial advisory practice out of my home. I was able to safeguard my important business records, and communicate with my clients. I also identified backup office space in Manhattan north of the flood zones if I had needed it.
6) The portable digital TV I bought last week worked great. I was able to watch the news while my kids watched movie on the main TV in the apartment, keeping us all sane.
7) I strongly believe that the local government response to this storm was excellent. Information was shared widely, and evacuations were ordered with sufficient time and warning for people to get out ahead of the storm. For instance, we were told to be prepared to evacuate Thursday, issued a voluntary evacuation Friday afternoon, and mandatory evacuation Friday evening.
8) Community is everything. My neighbors and I all shared cell phone numbers before we left, so that whoever returned first could let people know how their houses were. I learned that my house was undamaged when a local police officer I know drove by and texted me that everything was OK. This was a huge relief.

What we can do better next time:
1) I need to make a list of everything that should be coming with us next time, rather than playing it by ear. Our passports got left behind, and while I can’t really imagine why we would have needed them, they are valuable documents that I would have hated to lose.
2) I did not board up the windows. I’d like to spend some time getting plywood pre-cut for next time.
3) I let the wife and kids come back too soon. Everything seemed fine when I got home, with little damage, so I sent for my family to come home. Later that afternoon, we lost a tree behind our house to a wind gust, even though the storm had long since passed. I didn’t let the kids outside again after that.
4) As a community, far too many people did not evacuate. This is only going to be worse next time, as the damage from Irene was minimal.
5) My kids were bored to tears, and we all suffered from cabin fever. Need to come up with better entertainment. If we had lost power in Brooklyn, we would have had a hard time with the kids.

This was a bad storm, folks. North and west of NYC the water is still rising on rivers. One volunteer EMT in Princeton, NJ, has already lost his life attempting a swift-water rescue, and we all know that civilians have been killed along the storm track. I believe that small changes in the storm’s track or intensity would have made it much worse, and do not feel that we over-reacted. (I have pictures of NY Harbor overtopping the sea wall near Brooklyn Heights that I’ll post later. A few feet more of surge and lower Manhattan would have had serious flooding.) Reports on the news this morning are about 2 million without power in the greater NYC area.

Stay safe.

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#230929 - 08/29/11 02:15 PM Re: Irene After Action Report (Long) [Re: Jesselp]
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Thank you for a most informative report. Those kids will be towers of strength by the next time you have to deal with a situation like this.
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#230931 - 08/29/11 02:19 PM Re: Irene After Action Report (Long) [Re: Jesselp]
Dagny Offline
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Registered: 11/25/08
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Loc: Washington, DC

Excellent summation and observations, Jessup.

Thank you.

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#230934 - 08/29/11 02:26 PM Re: Irene After Action Report (Long) [Re: Jesselp]
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Great report, thanks for putting it together.

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#230935 - 08/29/11 02:28 PM Re: Irene After Action Report (Long) [Re: Jesselp]
Jesselp Offline
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Loc: New York
Why going to the beach and "checking out the waves" during a hurricane can be a bad idea.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WA894veJQoQ

I believe this is in Long Beach, NY, one town east of me. Ocean and bay met at high tide, with city streets under feet of water.

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#230936 - 08/29/11 02:28 PM Re: Irene After Action Report (Long) [Re: Jesselp]
Bingley Offline
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Originally Posted By: Jesselp

1) I need to make a list of everything that should be coming with us next time, rather than playing it by ear. Our passports got left behind, and while I can’t really imagine why we would have needed them, they are valuable documents that I would have hated to lose.


It's too late to sort out your valuable documents as the storm approaches, as the rioters set fire to your house, as the tornado bears down on you. So maybe it's better to sort everything out ahead of time, put all that you want to save in a watertight envelope/carrier, and just grab and go when the time comes.

You don't want to leave important documents behind, if there is a possibility you might lose your house. Not very comforting to think of your passport fluttering in the wind or drifting down a flooded stream, or worse, lying out in the open for anyone to take and use (identity theft!).

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This was a bad storm, folks. North and west of NYC the water is still rising on rivers. One volunteer EMT in Princeton, NJ, has already lost his life attempting a swift-water rescue, and we all know that civilians have been killed along the storm track.


If you're thinking of the firefighter who attempted a water rescue, he's not dead, but he is in the ICU:

http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2011/08/firefighter_dies_during_water.html

Glad to hear you and your family got through this in good shape. +1 for us ETS folks!

DB

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#230937 - 08/29/11 02:30 PM Re: Irene After Action Report (Long) [Re: Jesselp]
celler Offline
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Registered: 12/25/03
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Great job, I hereby declare you qualified to move to Florida if you ever feel like it.

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#230939 - 08/29/11 03:20 PM Re: Irene After Action Report (Long) [Re: Jesselp]
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Well done, both your actions and your post.

In my family, it's pretty easy for my wife and I to stay entertained but much harder for the children, so I largely plan around them. If all the electronic boredom-suppression devices are down (or batteries being conserved) and all the books have been read, I've got playing cards and Uno for them.

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#230943 - 08/29/11 04:09 PM Re: Irene After Action Report (Long) [Re: Jesselp]
Arney Offline
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Registered: 09/15/05
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Loc: California
Excellent review and write up.

The fact that you live on a barrier island but so many people stayed behind is worrisome. Totally their prerogative, of course. Irene is a good example of how meteorologists can get their predictions wrong--but that error goes both ways. Irene was less damaging than predicted, but that doesn't mean it couldn't have become more damaging, too. And that applies to the storm track, too.

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#230955 - 08/29/11 06:12 PM Re: Irene After Action Report (Long) [Re: Jesselp]
Mark_R Offline
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Registered: 05/29/10
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Loc: Southern California
Originally Posted By: Jesselp
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6) The portable digital TV I bought last week worked great. I was able to watch the news while my kids watched movie on the main TV in the apartment, keeping us all sane.
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5) My kids were bored to tears, and we all suffered from cabin fever. Need to come up with better entertainment. If we had lost power in Brooklyn, we would have had a hard time with the kids.


I heard the same thing when I asked about how to prepare for staying in an evacuation shelter. Boredom is a major factor when waiting, and to bring books, games, toys, and other distractions.
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#230966 - 08/29/11 06:59 PM Re: Irene After Action Report (Long) [Re: Jesselp]
Eugene Offline
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Registered: 12/26/02
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Originally Posted By: Jesselp
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What we can do better next time:
1) I need to make a list of everything that should be coming with us next time, rather than playing it by ear. Our passports got left behind, and while I can’t really imagine why we would have needed them, they are valuable documents that I would have hated to lose.



Not just a list, store import items in a zippered binder so you can grab it and go. Hunting down all the documents even with a list can take time.

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#230975 - 08/29/11 08:55 PM Re: Irene After Action Report (Long) [Re: Jesselp]
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Loc: Ontario, Canada
Great insights, Jesselp. Thank you for sharing them. I appreciate learning from your experience, especislly when it worked out well for you.

I suspect that keeping my 8 yo entertained would be one of the most stressful parts of a successful bug-out. Short attention spans need longer resource and idea preps.
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#230990 - 08/29/11 11:23 PM Re: Irene After Action Report (Long) [Re: ]
Bingley Offline
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Registered: 02/27/08
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Originally Posted By: IzzyJG99
Being that I was a boy once (not that long ago and still am if you ask some folks...) I can tell you an easy way to keep him occupied during situations such as a hurricane or related disaster. Give him a job. Tell him that "this is your job to take care of..." and insert whatever.


That's right! My family used to make me the lookout for snipe. If they get us, we're surely not going to survive. This was an important job, so I was pretty focused. DB

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#230995 - 08/30/11 12:45 AM Re: Irene After Action Report (Long) [Re: Jesselp]
Susan Offline
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I haven't heard a reference to snipe since I read To Kill a Mockingbird many years ago.

They're like zombies, right?

Sue

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#230999 - 08/30/11 01:01 AM Re: Irene After Action Report (Long) [Re: Bingley]
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LOL@DB!!

Point well-taken Izzy. DS loves having a job and getting to help. It makes him feel part of team and important. His attentions wains, so we have to mix thing up and keep coming back to it. Being "on" 24/7 won't work but a regular (i.e. hourly, am/pm, meal time) scedule works pretty well, as long as we mix it with fun stuff too. (i.e. gather the deadwood for the fire and then go ahead, climb the tree.)
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#231021 - 08/30/11 03:53 AM Re: Irene After Action Report (Long) [Re: Jesselp]
Crowe Offline
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Registered: 12/03/07
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Me and mine came through okay. Power was just restored, will comment in length at a later time.

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#231033 - 08/30/11 11:38 AM Re: Irene After Action Report (Long) [Re: Jesselp]
LesSnyder Offline
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Loc: New Port Richey, Fla
a comment...as one of the Gulf coasters that has tried to offer a few suggestions about tropical storm prep, knowing the physical location of a contributor would be helpful...3 miles inland and 35' elevation is different than 1/4 mile and 3' above mean high tide...

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#231034 - 08/30/11 11:55 AM Re: Irene After Action Report (Long) [Re: LesSnyder]
Jesselp Offline
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Originally Posted By: LesSnyder
a comment...as one of the Gulf coasters that has tried to offer a few suggestions about tropical storm prep, knowing the physical location of a contributor would be helpful...3 miles inland and 35' elevation is different than 1/4 mile and 3' above mean high tide...


LesSnyder,

I live on a barrier island off the coast of Nassau County, NY. The island is three blocks wide, and my home is two blocks from the ocean and one from the bay. Best guess is 5 to 8 feet above high tide water levels.

We evacuated to Brooklyn Heights, a neighborhood in Brooklyn which is on the water, but as is evidenced by its name, has some elevation to it. Was not concerned about storm surge there.

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#231053 - 08/30/11 02:57 PM Re: Irene After Action Report (Long) [Re: Jesselp]
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Loc: New Port Richey, Fla
Jesselp...I guess my mind drifted in the post...so many of the contributors of the forum do not list a geographic location for their home

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