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#230443 - 08/24/11 03:44 PM Re: 5.8 Quake in Washington DC area [Re: chaosmagnet]
Russ Offline
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The Leatherman Fuse with no knife blade could probably go just about anywhere.
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#230448 - 08/24/11 04:24 PM Re: Earthquake [Re: Dagny]
Susan Offline
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Registered: 01/21/04
Posts: 5163
Loc: W. WA
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Was relieved to discover it was [just] an earthquake.


Yes, the lesser of all the evils. Who would have thought?

Sue

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#230449 - 08/24/11 04:27 PM Re: 5.8 Quake in Washington DC area [Re: Russ]
Bingley Offline
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Registered: 02/27/08
Posts: 1580
Originally Posted By: Russ
The Leatherman Fuse with no knife blade could probably go just about anywhere.


Except the airport. Someone on this forum reported that his Fuse was confiscated by the TSA. Leatherman has also discontinued this version of the Fuse, probably because no item can ever receive the status of TSA-compliant, otherwise the terrorists would have already won.

It seems to me that we may have to adopt the strategy of including a cutting tool that we can afford to lose, if we go to such high security areas.

DB

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#230452 - 08/24/11 04:35 PM Re: 5.8 Quake in Washington DC area [Re: bws48]
Susan Offline
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Registered: 01/21/04
Posts: 5163
Loc: W. WA
Learn flintknapping and use obsidian. Makes a nice, sharp blade.

Sue

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#230465 - 08/24/11 06:59 PM Re: 5.8 Quake in Washington DC area [Re: Am_Fear_Liath_Mor]
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Registered: 08/18/07
Posts: 831
Loc: Anne Arundel County, Maryland
Originally Posted By: Am_Fear_Liath_Mor
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Nobody paid much attention until we heard it on the radio and someone asked how much shaking the nuke box can withstand.


Contrary to the information released by Tempco the Fukishima reactors were reported to have began melting down before the Tsunami hit and took out the backup Diesel gen sets. I think that most reactor documentation requires the recording of X-ray welds to the plumbing which keeps the whole pile cool i.e static pressure testing. I don't think that the welds are tested for shear forces so even a relatively minor earthquake could prove to be quite disastrous.



On the way home I heard a radio news discussion of the topic of the safety of the local (Lake Anna, I think) nuclear plant. Apparently it was designed to withstand the largest known earthquake in the area, plus "a safety margin." That designed in safety margin quake size was almost, if not the same, as the 5.8 they just suffered. A too close call IMO.

What many people forget is that designed in safety margins are reduced if not downright eliminated by age and lack of proper maintenance. Just because a structure when brand new had a 1.5X (or whatever) designed in safety margin, years of neglect and poor maintenance erodes this until you lose that safety margin and start eating into the actual required strength. "Deferred Maintenance" or whatever the current buzz-words are for not doing proper maintenance can be deadly.
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#230469 - 08/24/11 07:42 PM Re: 5.8 Quake in Washington DC area [Re: bws48]
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Registered: 08/18/07
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Loc: Anne Arundel County, Maryland
And on another note, here is the summary of significant damage Annapolis and our county suffered. I have to admit, the photo of the 2 buildings (both well known) separated at the top (there should be no space between them) is kind of impressive. . .

http://www.hometownannapolis.com/news/top/2011/08/24-38/Where-were-you-when-earth-shook.html
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#230472 - 08/24/11 07:58 PM Re: 5.8 Quake in Washington DC area [Re: bws48]
Am_Fear_Liath_Mor Offline
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Registered: 08/03/07
Posts: 3078
Quote:

A too close call IMO


Well, we are only 24hrs or so in with regard to the North Anna Nuclear Power plant, which was only 5 miles from the epicentre of the 5.8 earth quake. Considering that external power was lost to the site and the reactors were using last ditch on site diesel power backup (of which 1 of the 4 diesel gen sets failed) then I suspect that major damage may have occurred. Hopefully nothing that will continue to hamper the shutdown (which will take weeks to months for the pile to cool down), but it may be that these reactors will never restart again.

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#230510 - 08/25/11 01:24 AM Re: 5.8 Quake in Washington DC area [Re: bws48]
Susan Offline
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Registered: 01/21/04
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Loc: W. WA
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Apparently it was designed to withstand the largest known earthquake in the area


Uh-huh. The World Trade Center Towers were designed to withstand a jetliner crashing into them, I hear. Just not ones carrying fuel.

Just tell people what they want to hear and you're good to go.

Sue

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#230516 - 08/25/11 01:53 AM Re: 5.8 Quake in Washington DC area [Re: bacpacjac]
bacpacjac Offline
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Registered: 05/05/07
Posts: 3601
Loc: Ontario, Canada
Originally Posted By: bacpacjac

We're just coming off siren testing at the Pickering nuclear plant, which I work beside. Nobody I work with takes prepping for a nuclear accident seriously. We felt a little tremor today but hardly noticed it. Nobody paid much attention until we heard it on the radio and someone asked how much shaking the nuke box can withstand.

I don't expect much to come of it (is the betting closed yet?) and so am glad I only work with a few people, and not my old office of hundreds.


We're in the midst of thunder storms now, which were precursored by tornado watches and warnings through the afternoon and evening. Everyone at work, and most of my friends were back to shrugging their shoulders.

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#230533 - 08/25/11 01:51 PM Re: 5.8 Quake in Washington DC area [Re: bws48]
paramedicpete Offline
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Registered: 04/09/02
Posts: 1920
Loc: Frederick, Maryland
So what do you think the historic area will look like this time if Irene heads up the Chesapeake, like Isabel did?

Pete

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